Degeneracy in 3-D Rectangular Boxes: Explained

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter judonight
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Box Degeneracy
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of degeneracy in three-dimensional rectangular boxes, particularly focusing on conditions under which degeneracy occurs when the box sides are of unequal lengths. Participants explore theoretical aspects, mathematical formulations, and the implications of symmetry in the context of quantum mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on degeneracy in a 3-D rectangular box, noting that degeneracy occurs when multiple state functions share the same energy level.
  • Another participant provides the eigenvalue equation for the energy levels in the box and states that degeneracy arises when different sets of quantum numbers (n, l, m) yield the same energy value.
  • Some participants suggest that degeneracy may not exist if the box lengths cannot be expressed in integer ratios, indicating that symmetry is a key factor for degeneracy to occur.
  • Accidental degeneracy is mentioned, implying that specific relationships between the box dimensions could lead to degeneracy even without inherent symmetry.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions necessary for degeneracy, particularly regarding the role of symmetry and integer relationships among box dimensions. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives on the topic.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the relationships between box dimensions and their impact on degeneracy are not fully explored, and the discussion does not clarify the extent to which specific configurations lead to degeneracy.

judonight
Messages
31
Reaction score
0
This isn't a homework question, rather a question about something stated in my book and an online source.

When is there degeracy in a 3-D rectangular box when none of the sides are of equal length?

I understand that when there are two or more state functions that have same energy level there is degeneracy... but more general, I read something online about the ratio of quantum numbers n must be equal to and integer (yet not equal to each other), and/or there must be a linear combination of the lengths of the sides (i.e a=.5*b=.25*c, a being length in x, etc.)

Can someone better explain this to me?

As always, thanks in advance!
 
Physics news on Phys.org
All you need to know are the eigenvalues. If the lengths of the box are Lx, Ly and Lz, then the eigenvalues are:

[tex]E_{nlm}=\frac{\hbar^2}{2m}(k_x^2+k_y^2+k_z^2)[/tex]
where [tex]k_x = \pi n/L_x[/tex]
[tex]k_y = \pi l/L_y[/tex]
[tex]k_z = \pi m/L_z[/tex] .
with n,l and m integers.

You have degeneracy when you can find different values of n,l and m with the same value for E.
 
There may be no degeneracy if you can't express the lengths of the box in terms of the other lengths in relation to integer values. Degeneracy only arises when there is some sort of symmetry in the system, and clearly that's not the case for some random box lengths.
 
StatMechGuy said:
There may be no degeneracy if you can't express the lengths of the box in terms of the other lengths in relation to integer values. Degeneracy only arises when there is some sort of symmetry in the system, and clearly that's not the case for some random box lengths.


I understand the symmetry.

Expressing the lengths in terms of other lengths as integers, you mean possibly some kind of multiple length of two sides in relation to the first would be suitable for degeneracy?
 
judonight said:
I understand the symmetry.

Expressing the lengths in terms of other lengths as integers, you mean possibly some kind of multiple length of two sides in relation to the first would be suitable for degeneracy?

This is called accidental degeneracy...
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
3K
  • · Replies 143 ·
5
Replies
143
Views
12K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
2K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
1K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
2K