Delta Function Identity in Modern Electrodynamics, Zangwill

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a delta function identity presented in Andrew Zangwill's "Modern Electrodynamics," specifically focusing on the mathematical expression involving derivatives and delta functions. Participants are exploring the implications and derivations of this identity, which is relevant to theoretical physics and mathematical formulations in electrodynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the identity involving derivatives and delta functions, seeking clarification on its validity.
  • Hints are provided suggesting the use of a specific equation and the representation of the radial distance in terms of its components.
  • Another participant notes a potential missing term in the equation, questioning whether the left-hand side should apply to a function, specifically suggesting it should involve the term ##\frac{1}{r}##.
  • A later reply confirms the suspicion about the missing term, indicating it was a typo.
  • Participants discuss the need to determine a constant related to an additional term at ##r=0##, proposing a method to find its value through summation and referencing another equation.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the assistance received, indicating they were able to resolve their confusion with the help of others.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for clarification regarding the identity and the presence of a missing term, but the discussion includes multiple viewpoints on how to approach the derivation and implications of the identity, indicating that some aspects remain contested.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the treatment of the delta function at ##r=0## and the implications of the operator versus function distinction in the identity. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of the mathematical formulation presented in the text.

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I am currently reading Modern Electrodynamics by Andrew Zangwill and came across a section listing some delta function identities (Section 1.5.5 page 15 equation 1.122 for those interested), and there is one identity that really confused me. He states:
\begin{align*}
\frac{\partial}{\partial r_k}\frac{\partial}{\partial r_m}=\frac{3r_k r_m - r^2 \delta_{km}}{r^5}-\frac{4\pi}{3}\delta_{km}\delta(\mathbf{r})\\
\end{align*}
I am having trouble with figuring out how to show this identity is true. If anyone can help get me on the right track to see how to achieve this identity I would greatly appreciate it.
 
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Hint: Write ##r## in terms of ##r_k## and use (1.121).
 
Demystifier said:
Hint: Write ##r## in terms of ##r_k## and use (1.121).

So I wrote ##r## in terms of ##r_{i}## , but I just needed some dummy index so really any can work. The problem I ran into was in finding the final term:
\begin{align*}
-\frac{4\pi}{3}\delta_{km}\delta(\mathbf{r})
\end{align*}
I know the derivative I performed only works with ##r \neq 0##, and the Laplacian of ##\frac{1}{r}## gives you a ##-4\pi\delta(\mathbf{r})##, but I am just struggling to see how this particular term comes up...any thoughts?
 
Suppose that for ##r=0## there is an additional term ##c \delta_{km}\delta({\bf r})##, where ##c## is a constant that you need to determine. (You are allowed to assume that because, a priori, ##c## can even be zero, which would be the same as if that term was not present at all.) Now put ##k=m##, sum over ##k##, and use (1.141). This will give you the non-zero value of ##c##.
 
chi_rho said:
I am currently reading Modern Electrodynamics by Andrew Zangwill and came across a section listing some delta function identities (Section 1.5.5 page 15 equation 1.122 for those interested), and there is one identity that really confused me. He states:
\begin{align*}
\frac{\partial}{\partial r_k}\frac{\partial}{\partial r_m}=\frac{3r_k r_m - r^2 \delta_{km}}{r^5}-\frac{4\pi}{3}\delta_{km}\delta(\mathbf{r})\\
\end{align*}
I am having trouble with figuring out how to show this identity is true. If anyone can help get me on the right track to see how to achieve this identity I would greatly appreciate it.

Is there something missing in this equation? It seems to me that the left-hand side is an operator, while the right-hand side is a function. I'm guessing that it's supposed to be:

\begin{align*}
\frac{\partial}{\partial r_k}\frac{\partial}{\partial r_m} \frac{1}{r} =\frac{3r_k r_m - r^2 \delta_{km}}{r^5}-\frac{4\pi}{3}\delta_{km}\delta(\mathbf{r})\\
\end{align*}
 
stevendaryl said:
Is there something missing in this equation? It seems to me that the left-hand side is an operator, while the right-hand side is a function. I'm guessing that it's supposed to be:

\begin{align*}
\frac{\partial}{\partial r_k}\frac{\partial}{\partial r_m} \frac{1}{r} =\frac{3r_k r_m - r^2 \delta_{km}}{r^5}-\frac{4\pi}{3}\delta_{km}\delta(\mathbf{r})\\
\end{align*}

Yeah, that was just a typo. The ##\frac{1}{r}## definitely needs to be there. Sorry about that.
 
Demystifier said:
Suppose that for ##r=0## there is an additional term ##c \delta_{km}\delta({\bf r})##, where ##c## is a constant that you need to determine. (You are allowed to assume that because, a priori, ##c## can even be zero, which would be the same as if that term was not present at all.) Now put ##k=m##, sum over ##k##, and use (1.141). This will give you the non-zero value of ##c##.

Thanks for all of your help, I was finally able to figure it out because of your useful directions!
 

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