Delta x in the derivation of Lagrange equation

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The discussion focuses on the derivation of the Lagrange equation of motion, specifically addressing the calculus of variations involved. The integral of ƒ(y(x), y'(x); x)dx from x1 to x2 is multiplied by δ, representing the variation of the integral based on changes in the functional argument y(x). It is clarified that x is treated as independent from the variations of y(x), which is why the chain rule is not applied to x. The reference book for this topic is "Classical Dynamics of Particles and Systems" by Marion and Thornton.

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Hello PF,

I was doing the derivation of the Lagrange equation of motion and had to do some calculus of variations.

The first step in the derivation is to multiply the integral of ƒ(y(x),y'(x);x)dx from x1 to x2 by δ.

and then by the chain rule we proceed. But I cannot understand why we are not applying the chain rule to x too. All the proofs omit this part saying that x1 x2 are fixed and thus it goes to zero.

The book I am using is "Classical dynamics of Particles and Systems" by Marion and Thornton.

Thank you!
 
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jamalkoiyess said:
The first step in the derivation is to multiply the integral of ƒ(y(x),y'(x);x)dx from x1 to x2 by δ.
It is not a multiplication by delta. It is the variation of the integral based on variations in the functional argument y(x).
 
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x is independent from the variations of y(x) as a function (but x depends on the variations of the values of the function y(x)).

What we mean by "variations of y(x) as a function" are other functions ##g_{\epsilon}(x)=y(x)+\epsilon\eta (x)## for some fixed function ##\eta(x)## and for any ##\epsilon>0##. So what we basically mean is that x is independent of ##\epsilon##.
 
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