Density matrix elements, momentum basis, second quantization

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The discussion revolves around understanding the density matrix elements in a momentum basis, specifically the element ⟨k|ρ|k+q⟩. The original poster is trying to derive expectation values for particle density and current density using second quantization, but struggles with the notation and the connections between the density matrix and the operators. Participants suggest using the trace formula and maintaining clarity in notation to avoid confusion, emphasizing the importance of consistent symbols for different quantities. Ultimately, a clearer path to derive the expectation values is provided, which helps the original poster make progress in their understanding. The conversation highlights the complexities of quantum mechanics and the nuances of mathematical notation in theoretical physics.
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Hello everyone,

I'm having some trouble, that I was hoping someone here could assist me with. I do hope that I have started the topic in an appropriate subforum - please redirect me otherwise.
Specifically, I'm having a hard time understanding the matrix elements of the density matrix, \varrho. For instance, I would like to determine the density matrix element \langle \boldsymbol{\mathrm{k}} | \varrho | \boldsymbol{\mathrm{k}}+\boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}} \rangle, i.e. matrix elements of \varrho in a momentum basis.

The reason for me wanting to do this, is that I am trying to understand an old paper by N.D. Mermin [1]. In this paper, the particle density, \rho(\boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}}), and current density, \boldsymbol{\mathrm{J}}(\boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}}), expectation values are introduced as (slightly rewritten - the essence remains the same):
\langle \rho(\boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}})\rangle = \sum_{\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}}} \langle \boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}}+\boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}} | \varrho | \boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}} \rangle \\<br /> \langle \boldsymbol{\mathrm{J}}(\boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}}) \rangle = \sum_{\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}}} (\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}}+\frac{1}{2} \boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}} )\langle \boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}}+\boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}} | \varrho | \boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}} \rangle
I'm used to the following second quantized forms of the particle density operator and particle currents:
\rho(\boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}}) = \sum_{\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}}} c_{\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}}}^\dagger c_{\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}}+\boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}}} \\<br /> \boldsymbol{\mathrm{J}}(\boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}}) = \sum_{\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}}} (\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}}+\frac{1}{2} \boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}} )c_{\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}}}^\dagger c_{\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}}+\boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}}}
My question is, how do I derive (preferably starting from the second-quantized form of the operators) the expectation values \langle \rho(\boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}})\rangle and \langle \boldsymbol{\mathrm{J}}\boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}}) \rangle, expressed as sums over density matrix elements?
I feel that, essentially, this should be a simple problem to do in a stringent manner - but I just can't seem to make the necessary connections.

[1] Lindhard Dielectric Function in the Relaxation-Time Approximation

EDIT: Edit since I had apparently not understood the use of [ tex ] [ /itex ].
 
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Final ansatz said:
I'm having a hard time understanding the matrix elements of the density matrix, [...]
I feel that, essentially, this should be a simple problem to do in a stringent manner - but I just can't seem to make the necessary connections.

Use <A>=trace rho A = sum_{p,q} <p|rho|q><q|A|p> and the annihilation properties of the c's.

Note that you use rho in two different fonts with two different meanings - not a very good choice of notation.
 
A. Neumaier said:
Use <A>=trace rho A = sum_{p,q} <p|rho|q><q|A|p> and the annihilation properties of the c's.

Note that you use rho in two different fonts with two different meanings - not a very good choice of notation.

Thanks for your reply Neumaier!
Sadly, after having considered your suggestion for some time, I remain stuck with the same predicament as before. I must be confusing something basic. My intention with using \varrho for the density matrix and \rho for particle density operator, was that, in my mind they are different quantities and so deserve different notations (e.g. the density matrix evolve according to the Liouville-von Neumann equation while the particle density operator evolve according to the Heisenberg equation of motion)?

Attempting to follow your suggestion to express the average of the particle density operator in momentum space, \langle \rho(\boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}}) \rangle, I make it as far as (again, I'm using two different notation for the density matrix and the particle density - I would be very interested in any explanation as to why this is inappropriate):
<br /> \langle \rho(\boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}}) \rangle <br /> = \mathrm{tr}[\varrho \rho(\boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}})]<br /> = \sum_{\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}}} \langle \boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}} | \varrho \rho(\boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}}) | \boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}} \rangle <br /> = \sum_{\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p\, k}}} \langle \boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}} | \varrho | \boldsymbol{\mathrm{k}} \rangle \langle \boldsymbol{\mathrm{k}} | \rho(\boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}}) | \boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}} \rangle <br /> = \sum_{\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p\, k}}} \langle 0 | c_{\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}}} \varrho c_\boldsymbol{\mathrm{k}}^\dagger | 0 \rangle \langle 0 | c_\boldsymbol{\mathrm{k}} \rho(\boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}}) c_\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}}^\dagger | 0 \rangle<br /> = \sum_{\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p\, k\, k}}&#039;} \langle 0 | c_{\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}}} \varrho c_\boldsymbol{\mathrm{k}}^\dagger | 0 \rangle \langle 0 | c_\boldsymbol{\mathrm{k}} c_{\boldsymbol{\mathrm{k}}&#039;}^\dagger c_{\boldsymbol{\mathrm{k}}&#039;} c_\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}}^\dagger | 0 \rangle<br />... which does not appear a viable path. Could I possibly persuade you to give my yet a hint? What am I doing wrong here? Thanks again!
 
Final ansatz said:
My intention with using \varrho for the density matrix and \rho for particle density operator, was that, in my mind they are different quantities and so deserve different notations (e.g. the density matrix evolve according to the Liouville-von Neumann equation while the particle density operator evolve according to the Heisenberg equation of motion)?

Attempting to follow your suggestion to express the average of the particle density operator in momentum space, \langle \rho(\boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}}) \rangle,
[...]
Could I possibly persuade you to give my yet a hint? What am I doing wrong here? Thanks again!
You must aim at getting the result, hence not convert everything to c/a notation.
Thus keep the bras and kets in the density matrix part, and replace the particle density by its definition. Then you get a triple sum in which most terms vanish.
 
Final ansatz said:
Thanks for your reply Neumaier!
Sadly, after having considered your suggestion for some time, I remain stuck with the same predicament as before. I must be confusing something basic. My intention with using \varrho for the density matrix and \rho for particle density operator, was that, in my mind they are different quantities and so deserve different notations (e.g. the density matrix evolve according to the Liouville-von Neumann equation while the particle density operator evolve according to the Heisenberg equation of motion)?

Attempting to follow your suggestion to express the average of the particle density operator in momentum space, \langle \rho(\boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}}) \rangle, I make it as far as (again, I'm using two different notation for the density matrix and the particle density - I would be very interested in any explanation as to why this is inappropriate):
<br /> \langle \rho(\boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}}) \rangle <br /> = \mathrm{tr}[\varrho \rho(\boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}})]<br /> = \sum_{\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}}} \langle \boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}} | \varrho \rho(\boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}}) | \boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}} \rangle <br /> = \sum_{\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p\, k}}} \langle \boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}} | \varrho | \boldsymbol{\mathrm{k}} \rangle \langle \boldsymbol{\mathrm{k}} | \rho(\boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}}) | \boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}} \rangle <br /> = \sum_{\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p\, k}}} \langle 0 | c_{\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}}} \varrho c_\boldsymbol{\mathrm{k}}^\dagger | 0 \rangle \langle 0 | c_\boldsymbol{\mathrm{k}} \rho(\boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}}) c_\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}}^\dagger | 0 \rangle<br /> = \sum_{\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p\, k\, k}}&#039;} \langle 0 | c_{\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}}} \varrho c_\boldsymbol{\mathrm{k}}^\dagger | 0 \rangle \langle 0 | c_\boldsymbol{\mathrm{k}} c_{\boldsymbol{\mathrm{k}}&#039;}^\dagger c_{\boldsymbol{\mathrm{k}}&#039;} c_\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}}^\dagger | 0 \rangle<br />... which does not appear a viable path. Could I possibly persuade you to give my yet a hint? What am I doing wrong here? Thanks again!

You was close to the result:

<br /> \langle \rho(\boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}})\rangle= <br /> \sum_{\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}}} \langle\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}}| \rho (\boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}}) \varrho|\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}}\rangle=<br /> \sum_{\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}},\boldsymbol{\mathrm{k}}} \langle\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}}| c^\dagger_\boldsymbol{\mathrm{k}}c_{\boldsymbol{ \mathrm{k} } + \boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}}} \varrho|\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}}\rangle=<br /> \sum_{\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}},\boldsymbol{\mathrm{k}}, \boldsymbol{\mathrm{k&#039;}}&#039;} \langle\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}}| c^\dagger_\boldsymbol{\mathrm{k}}c_{\boldsymbol{ \mathrm{k} } + \boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}}} |\boldsymbol{\mathrm{k}}&#039;\rangle\langle\boldsymbol{\mathrm{k}}&#039;|\varrho|\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}} \rangle=<br /> \sum_{\boldsymbol{\mathrm{k}}} \langle\boldsymbol{\mathrm{k}} + \boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}}|\varrho| \boldsymbol{\mathrm{k}} \rangle ,<br />

where in the last step I used

<br /> \langle\boldsymbol{\mathrm{p}}| c^\dagger_\boldsymbol{\mathrm{k}}c_{\boldsymbol{ \mathrm{k} } + \boldsymbol{\mathrm{q}}} |\boldsymbol{\mathrm{k}}&#039;\rangle = \delta_{\boldsymbol{ \mathrm{k} }, \boldsymbol{ \mathrm{p} }}\delta_{\boldsymbol{ \mathrm{k} } + \boldsymbol{ \mathrm{q} }, \boldsymbol{ \mathrm{k} }&#039;}.<br />

With analogous calculation you can easly obtain the second equation you needed.

I hope this helps.

Ilm
 
Thank you both a ton - your help is very much appreciated. Just couldn't get that bit right! Thanks alot, this has saved my week :).
 
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