Density of Earth's atmosphere w.r.t height

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The discussion revolves around the density of Earth's atmosphere as a function of height, specifically using the ideal gas law to derive an exponential relationship. The original poster seeks to determine the scale height of the atmosphere and the density of air at a specific elevation in Denver.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the ideal gas law and its implications for density as height changes. There are attempts to relate pressure and density, and questions arise regarding the correct application of equations involving height and pressure. Some participants also seek clarification on the definition of density.

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The discussion includes various attempts to manipulate equations and derive relationships between pressure, density, and height. Some participants provide guidance on using differential equations, while others express uncertainty about their approaches. There is an acknowledgment of a misunderstanding regarding the original equation, leading to further exploration of the correct formulation.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can apply. There is a focus on deriving relationships rather than providing direct answers.

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Homework Statement



"It's possible to use the ideal gas law to show that the density of the Earth's atmosphere decreases exponentially with height, that is
ρ=ρ0exp(-z/z0)
where z is the height above sea level, ρ0 is the density at sea level and z0 is called the "scale height" of the atmosphere.

a.) Determine value of z0:

b.) What is the density of the air in Denver, at an elevation 1600 m? What percent of sea-level density is this?

Homework Equations


Ideal gas law: Pv=nRT

possibly P=P0 + ρgh ? Seems unlikely as ρ varies?

The Attempt at a Solution



Not quite sure how to go about this one. Started with ideal gas law
Pv=nRT
assumed we'd be comparing two volumes of gas (at height z0 and z) with equal number of molecules, at equal temperature, thus
P1v1=P2v2
Then substituted v=ρ(mass)
Again assuming equal mass would imply
P1ρ1=P2ρ2

Not really sure how to proceed to involve height instead of pressure or even if on right track... Somehow the latter seems more likely. Help would be appreciated!
 
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What is your understanding of the definition of the word density?

Chet
 
Density is mass/volume?
 
blintaro said:
Density is mass/volume?
Right, mass per unit volume. From the ideal gas law, if the molecular weight of the gas is M, can you write an equation for the density of the gas as a function of T, P, M, and R?

Chet
 
Hi, sorry for late reply:

n=mass/molecular weight = m/M

PV=(m/M)RT
=>PM/(RT)=m/V=ρ

But how does ρ vary with height? Can I use P=P0 + ρgz? But then I would be plugging ρ into an expression for ρ right?
 
blintaro said:
Hi, sorry for late reply:

n=mass/molecular weight = m/M

PV=(m/M)RT
=>PM/(RT)=m/V=ρ

Correct!

But how does ρ vary with height? Can I use P=P0 + ρgz? But then I would be plugging ρ into an expression for ρ right?
No. You have to use the differential version of the equation:

dP/dz=-ρg =-(PMg)/(RT)

Do you know how to solve this differential equation for P?

Chet
 
dP/dz=-(PMg)/(RT)

∫(P)-1dP=∫(-Mg)/(RT)dz

ln(P/P0)=(-Mg)/(RT)(z-z0) + c

(ρ)/(ρ0) =C(ez/ez0)(-Mg)/(RT)

ρ=ρ0C(ez/ez0)(-Mg)/(RT)

Did I do that right?
 
blintaro said:
dP/dz=-(PMg)/(RT)

∫(P)-1dP=∫(-Mg)/(RT)dz

ln(P/P0)=(-Mg)/(RT)(z-z0) + c

(ρ)/(ρ0) =C(ez/ez0)(-Mg)/(RT)

ρ=ρ0C(ez/ez0)(-Mg)/(RT)

Did I do that right?
Almost. The boundary condition should be P=P0 and ρ=P0M/(RT) at z = 0.

Chet
 
chestermiller said:
almost. The boundary condition should be p=p0 and ρ=p0m/(rt) at z = 0.

Chet

I'm not quite sure I follow...

pp0(P-1)dP = (-Mg)/(RT)∫z0dz

ln(P/P0)=(-Mg)/(RT)z

ρ0=(P0M)/(RT)
=>P0=(ρ0RT)/M

ρ=(PM)/(RT)
=>P=(ρRT)/M

Then would (RT)/M cancel on both top and bottom?
ln(P/P0) = ln((ρ)[STRIKE]((RT)/M)[/STRIKE]/((ρ0)[STRIKE](RT)/M))[/STRIKE]

leaving
ln(ρ/ρ0)=(-Mgz)/(RT)
 
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Yes. This is the correct answer. From this result, you should be able to back out an equation for zo, by comparing with the original equation in the problem statement .

Chet
 
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I just realized that I had read the original equation wrong, I thought ρ=ρ0exp(-z/z0) was ρ=ρ0-z/z, not ρ=ρ0(e-z/z) Whoops, lots of unnecessary headaches there!

So then

ρ=ρ0(e(-Mg)/(RT))-z

and z0 = (RT)/(Mg), great, thanks for helping me out with this. :)
 

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