Derivation of Energy Equation in Cylindrical Coordinates

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the conservation of energy equation in cylindrical coordinates, with participants expressing frustration over the lack of resources and guidance on this topic. The scope includes theoretical derivation and mathematical reasoning related to energy equations in different coordinate systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in finding a derivation of the energy equation in cylindrical coordinates, noting that most resources focus on Cartesian coordinates.
  • Another participant suggests a Wikipedia link that discusses the nabla operator in cylindrical coordinates, implying it may help with understanding the divergence in the energy conservation law.
  • A participant clarifies that they are specifically looking for a finite element differential of the energy equation in cylindrical coordinates, describing a geometric setup involving energy flux.
  • One participant provides a mathematical expression for the net balance of heat flowing along radial surfaces in cylindrical coordinates, contributing to the discussion on energy balance.
  • A different participant requests information on deriving the energy equation in spherical coordinates, indicating a parallel interest in coordinate transformations.
  • Another participant notes that while the fundamental equation remains the same, the differences arise from the Laplacian operator and suggests following Cartesian derivations with adjustments for cylindrical or spherical elements.
  • A later reply expresses gratitude for the assistance provided in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the challenges of finding resources for the cylindrical derivation, but multiple competing views exist regarding the approaches and resources available for both cylindrical and spherical coordinates. The discussion remains unresolved regarding specific derivations.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations in available resources and the complexity of derivations, but do not resolve these issues. The discussion reflects a dependence on definitions and the need for clarity in mathematical expressions.

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So, I have searched the globe to find the derivation of the conservation of energy equation in 3D cylindrical coordinates. I have looked in about every heat transfer, thermodynamic, thermofluid books in the library. I have spent about 4 hours on the internet trying to find something, but no luck.
It seems like EVERY textbook I have looked through has the cartesian derivation and when I look at the problem sets at the end of the chapter what do I see? "Derive the control volume three dimensional energy equation in cylindrical coordinates." It's as if the publisher refused to print the cylindrical derivation. They just threw the end result in cylindrical coordinated in the appendix and call it a day.
I know it is a very lengthy and relatively complex derivation, but come on.

My question is, does anyone have a source for the derivation of the energy equation in cylindrical coordinates? I would truly appreciate it if you could link one.
Thank you for your time and reading my frustrations. =)

Chris
 
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Thanks,
But, I am more looking for a finite element differential of the energy equation in cylindrical coordinates...

The free body is set up like a differential slice of pie (3d) with energy flux and work flux in and out of the control volume.

Thanks,
chris
 
Let's call (r,t,z) the cylindrical coordinates and d their witdh on and element.
Let's call (R,T,Z) the heat (energy) flux for these directions (in W/m²).
Let's cal Q the source of heat in the volume.

By simple geometric inspection, the net balance of heat flowing along the radial surfaces is:

br = R(r+dr,,) (r+dr) dt dz - R(r,,) r dt dz

You can get similar expressions for the other directions.
For the total heat balance you get then:

br + bt + bz = Q dr rdt dz

where the rhs is the total source in the volume element.
 
Hi to Everyone.

I need also "derivation of energy equation in spherical coordinates" but i also could'nt find anything. Is there any information about this by explaining how to derive the equation by term by term?
 
The fundamental equation is the same. The main difference is the Laplacian operator. Look for derivations on that, because the only difference is 1/r or sin(theta) terms. Those come from simple trig relations to find distances.

So, just follow along with the cartesian derivation, but keep a sketch of a cylindrical/spherical element. When you need to find an area, instead of delx*dely, you'll have something else.
 
Thank you very much for your help.
 

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