Derivation of Velocity from Acceleration in Special Relativity

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of velocity from the acceleration equation in the context of special relativity. Participants explore the mathematical integration of acceleration to find velocity, considering the relativistic effects on momentum and force.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the acceleration equation for a particle with relativistic momentum and attempts to derive velocity through integration.
  • Another participant suggests that substituting v=at is inappropriate due to the non-constant nature of acceleration in this scenario.
  • A different participant proposes differentiating the last equation with respect to time to solve the resulting differential equation.
  • There is a mention of the need to know the functional form of force F in relation to position, velocity, acceleration, and time for proper integration.
  • One participant expresses familiarity with the mathematics and attempts to separate variables in the differential equation to facilitate integration.
  • Another participant points out a potential error in the mathematical formulation regarding the exponent and offers a correction.
  • A participant acknowledges the correction regarding the exponent, indicating an ongoing refinement of the mathematical approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to integrate the acceleration equation, and multiple viewpoints on the methodology remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions about the force's dependence on time and velocity, as well as the specific conditions under which the equations are valid.

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I got stuck in deriving the velocity of the particle from the acceleration equation. Here are the details of the problem.

The acceleration of a particle with a relativistic momentum is

\vec{a} = \frac{\vec{F}}{\gamma m} - \frac{\vec{v}}{\gamma m c^2}\left(\vec{F} \cdot \vec{v}\right).

By integrating the above equation, the velocity of the particle can be calculated if the force applied and the mass of the particle are given. The greek letter \gamma in this case is \left(1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}\right)^{-1/2}

Considering that a constant force \it{F} is applied to a mass \it{m} initially at rest, the velocity of the particle is

\int \vec{a} dt = \int \left[\frac{\vec{F}}{\gamma m} - \frac{\vec{v}}{\gamma m c^2}\left(\vec{F} \cdot \vec{v}\right)\right] dt \\<br /> <br /> \vec{v} = \int \left[\frac{\vec{F}}{\gamma m} - \frac{\vec{v^2}}{\gamma m c^2}\left(\vec{F} \right)\right] dt.

Since F and m are constants in time, they are removed from the integral. Gamma is taken out from the two terms. Then,

\vec{v} = \frac{\vec{F}}{m} \int \frac{1}{\gamma} \left(1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}\right) dt.

Using the definition of gamma, the integrand is

\vec{v} = \frac{\vec{F}}{m} \int \left(1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}\right)^{3/2} dt.

This is where I get stuck. I don't know how to integrate it since the integrand is not a direct function of t but of v which is a function of t. I tried having v = at, but I don't know if this is correct.
 
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You cannot substitute v=at because that only works if a is constant, which it is not here. Personally, I would start with your last equation, differentiate both sides with respect to t, and solve the resulting differential equation. Are you familiar with differential equations, or do you have access to a math package like Mathematica?
 
ecastro said:
Using the definition of gamma, the integrand is

\vec{v} = \frac{\vec{F}}{m} \int \left(1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}\right)^{3/2} dt.

This is where I get stuck. I don't know how to integrate it since the integrand is not a direct function of t but of v which is a function of t.

You have the differential equation
\frac{{dv}}{{dt}} = \frac{F}{m} \cdot \left( {1 - \frac{{v^2 }}{{c^2 }}} \right)^{\frac{3}{2}}
that can be solved by separation of variables.
 
You have to know F(x,v,a,t). If F is constant, or a function of only t, then m\gamma^3 dv=Fdt
can be integrated.
 
DaleSpam said:
You cannot substitute v=at because that only works if a is constant, which it is not here. Personally, I would start with your last equation, differentiate both sides with respect to t, and solve the resulting differential equation. Are you familiar with differential equations, or do you have access to a math package like Mathematica?

Yes. I am familiar with the mathematics. The resulting differential equation will be the one shown by DrStupid. By separating the variables,

\frac{dv}{dt} = \frac{F}{m} \cdot \left(\frac{c^2 - v^2}{c^2}\right)^{3/2} = \frac{F}{m c^2} \cdot \left(c^2 - v^2\right)^{3/2} \\<br /> \left(c^2 - v^2\right)^{-3/2} dv = \frac{F}{m c^2} dt \\<br /> \int \left(c^2 - v^2\right)^{-3/2} dv= \int \frac{F}{m c^2} dt \\<br /> \frac{v}{c^2 \sqrt{c^2 - v^2}} = \frac{F t}{m c^2}.

Could you please check the mathematics? After this, I just need to solve for v, right?

clem said:
You have to know F(x,v,a,t). If F is constant, or a function of only t, then m γ^3 dv = F dt can be integrated.

Would you be suggesting that dt = \frac{m \gamma^3}{F} dv? If I were to substitute this to my last equation, wouldn't be the constants F and m cancel, so does \gamma? I would be left out with the integral of dv which will result into v.
 
ecastro said:
\frac{dv}{dt} = \frac{F}{m} \cdot \left(\frac{c^2 - v^2}{c^2}\right)^{3/2} = \frac{F}{m c^2} \cdot \left(c^2 - v^2\right)^{3/2}

\frac{dv}{dt} = \frac{F}{m} \cdot \left(\frac{c^2 - v^2}{c^2}\right)^{3/2} = \frac{F}{m c^3} \cdot \left(c^2 - v^2\right)^{3/2}

should be more accurate
 
Oh, yes, I forgot about the 3rd-power-exponent. Thanks a lot!
 

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