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derivation of wiens displacement law and wiens distribution law from thermodynamic principle.but not from Plancks law
The discussion revolves around the derivation of Wien's Displacement Law and Wien's Distribution Law from thermodynamic principles, specifically excluding Planck's law. Participants explore various methods and theoretical frameworks, including classical physics and dimensional analysis, while addressing the implications of quantum mechanics.
Participants express differing views on the necessity of quantum mechanics for deriving Wien's laws. Some assert that classical thermodynamics suffices, while others emphasize the role of quantum theory in addressing limitations of classical approaches. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method for derivation.
Participants note limitations in their derivations, including missing assumptions and unresolved mathematical steps, particularly concerning the transition from classical to quantum mechanics.
vanhees71 said:This gives the obviously wrong result because of the well-known Rayleigh-Jeans UV catastrophe.
The answer is that we have to consider quantum theory, and this adds the additional universal quantity ##\hbar## of dimension erg s to the game.
vanhees71 said:So there seems to be no way to get the correct Planck spectrum without quantum theory.
Wien's displacement law, of course, holds for both Wien's and Planck's spectrum.