Derivations vs Directional derivatives

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of derivations and directional derivatives in the context of differential geometry and algebra. Participants explore the definitions, implications, and examples of these mathematical constructs, questioning the necessity and applicability of derivations compared to directional derivatives.

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  • Some participants define a derivation as a linear map that satisfies a specific product rule, questioning the advantages of introducing derivations over simply using directional derivatives.
  • One participant notes that the tangent space at a point on a manifold can be viewed as the vector space of all derivations, yet they struggle to find instances where derivations cannot be interpreted as directional derivatives.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of the Lie algebra and provides an example of the map that takes elements of the algebra to their brackets, asserting it is a derivation but not a directional derivative.
  • Concerns are raised about whether the Lie algebra map should be classified as a derivation due to its output being algebra-valued rather than real-valued.
  • Participants reference the Lie derivative, suggesting that the Lie bracket can be interpreted as a derivative under this framework, thus supporting its classification as a derivation.
  • A generalization is presented regarding derivations in noncommutative algebras, with a proof provided for a specific derivation construction.

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The discussion contains multiple competing views regarding the definitions and applications of derivations and directional derivatives. There is no consensus on whether all derivations can be considered directional derivatives, nor on the classification of certain algebraic maps as derivations.

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Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and relationships between derivations and directional derivatives, particularly in the context of different mathematical structures like manifolds and Lie algebras. The discussion highlights the complexity of these concepts without resolving the ambiguities presented.

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In some books, when discussing the relation between partial/directional derivatives and tangent vectors, one makes a generalization called a "derivation". A derivation at ##\vec{a} \in \mathbb{R}^n## is defined as a linear map ##D: C^{\infty}(\mathbb{R}^n) \to \mathbb{R}## which for ##f,g \in C^\infty(\mathbb{R}^n)## that satisfies

##D(fg) = f(a) Dg + g(a) Df.##

On the other hand, some books just stick to directional derivatives, so I wondered: what is the virtue of introducing derivations?

Can someone give an example of something that is a derivation, but not a directional derivative?
 
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center o bass said:
In some books, when discussing the relation between partial/directional derivatives and tangent vectors, one makes a generalization called a "derivation". A derivation at ##\vec{a} \in \mathbb{R}^n## is defined as a linear map ##D: C^{\infty}(\mathbb{R}^n) \to \mathbb{R}## which for ##f,g \in C^\infty(\mathbb{R}^n)## that satisfies

##D(fg) = f(a) Dg + g(a) Df.##

On the other hand, some books just stick to directional derivatives, so I wondered: what is the virtue of introducing derivations?

Can someone give an example of something that is a derivation, but not a directional derivative?
Derivations are a more general term. One definition of the tangent space at a point ##p## on a manifold ##M## is that the tangent space ##T_pM## is the vector space of all derivations at ##p##. However, I can't think of anywhere where you can't think of elements of the tangent space as directional derivatives.

In Lie algebras, the map ##\operatorname{ad}_x:\mathfrak{g}\to\mathfrak{g}## that takes ##y\in\mathfrak{g}## to ##[x,y]\in\mathfrak{g}## (The ##[\cdot,\cdot]## is called the bracket. It's the multiplication operation on ##\mathfrak{g}##.) is a derivation, but it isn't a directional derivative.
 
If v is a derivation at p, and ##x:U\mapsto\mathbb R^n## is a coordinate system such that ##p\in U##, then there exist real numbers ##v^1,\dots,v^n## such that
$$v=\sum_{k=1}^n v^k\frac{\partial}{\partial x^k}\!\bigg|_p.$$ If this right-hand side is what you consider a directional derivative, then this means that every derivation is a directional derivative.

Not sure if ##\mathrm{ad}_x## should really be considered a derivation, since it's ##\mathfrak g##-valued rather than ##\mathbb R##-valued.
 
Fredrik said:
Not sure if ##\mathrm{ad}_x## should really be considered a derivation, since it's ##\mathfrak g##-valued rather than ##\mathbb R##-valued.

It's still called a derivation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivation_(differential_algebra )

Anyway, the Lie bracket can be seen as an actual derivative if you use the notion of Lie derivatives, so its not too farfetched to call it a derivation.
 
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micromass said:
It's still called a derivation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivation_(differential_algebra))

Anyway, the Lie bracket can be seen as an actual derivative if you use the notion of Lie derivatives, so its not too farfetched to call it a derivation.
(...ERMAGERD Micro's back! :biggrin:)

Micro is correct. There is a construction in differential geometry known as the Lie derivative, which can be applied to various tensor fields. We define the Lie derivative of a vector field ##Y## with ##X## to be ##\mathcal{L}_X(Y)=[X,Y]##.

To generalize, for any given noncommutative algebra ##A##, the map ##D_x: y\mapsto xy-yx## is a derivation.

Proof: ##D_x(yz)=xyz-yzx=xyz-yxz+yxz-yzx=D_x(y)z+yD_x(z)##.
 

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