Derivative of a Sine Function Problem Confusion

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the function f(x) = sin²(3-x) at x = 0. Participants are exploring the application of the chain rule and the implications of differentiating a squared trigonometric function.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the chain rule and question the correct application of differentiation techniques, particularly regarding the square of the sine function. There are attempts to clarify the steps involved in differentiating the function and whether "u" substitution might simplify the process.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the correct differentiation process, emphasizing the chain rule. There is an ongoing exploration of the steps needed to derive the function correctly, with various interpretations of the problem being discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion regarding the notation and the implications of the square in the function, as well as the importance of proper derivative notation in academic settings.

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Homework Statement



If f(x) = sin²(3-x), then f ' (0) = ____ .

A. -2cos3
B. -2sin3cos3
C. 6cos3
D. 2sin3cos3
E. 6sin3cos3


Homework Equations



Derivative of Sinx= cosx.


The Attempt at a Solution



I cannot seem to figure out what the derivative would be with this function.

sin(3-x) * sin(3-x) = Cos(3-x) * Cos(3-x), then plug in 0 for x?

Is there a simpler way using "u" substitution?

Thanks!
 
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Loppyfoot said:

Homework Statement



If f(x) = sin²(3-x), then f ' (0) = ____ .

A. -2cos3
B. -2sin3cos3
C. 6cos3
D. 2sin3cos3
E. 6sin3cos3


Homework Equations



Derivative of Sinx= cosx.


The Attempt at a Solution



I cannot seem to figure out what the derivative would be with this function.
What are you doing in the next line? Does it have anything to do with calculus? I don't see any indication that it does.
Loppyfoot said:
sin(3-x) * sin(3-x) = Cos(3-x) * Cos(3-x), then plug in 0 for x?


Is there a simpler way using "u" substitution?

Thanks!
Do you know about the chain rule? That's what you need here. Your function could be written this way f(x) = [sin(3 - x)]2.
 
so, would [ sin(3-x)²] = 2[sin(3-x)] * cos(3-x) *-1?

I think what is confusing me is the square of the function.
 
Almost. You're omitting the fact that your taking a derivative.
d/dx[ sin(3-x)²] = 2sin(3-x) * cos(3-x) *(-1) = -2sin(3 - x) cos(3 - x)
 
Right. Thank you Sir. I know on the AP Calculus exam, the graders take off for not writing limit notation, derivative notation, etc. Thank you for your help, and I definitely understand this chain rule of trigononemtric functions much better.
 
You're welcome. Glad to be of help.
 
Loppyfoot said:
so, would [ sin(3-x)²] = 2[sin(3-x)] * cos(3-x) *-1?

I think what is confusing me is the square of the function.
Yes, that is correct. That is using the "chain rule".

And note that your earlier "sin(3-x) * sin(3-x) = Cos(3-x) * Cos(3-x)" was wrong for a variety of reasons:
1) You really mean (sin(3-x)*sin(3-x))' on the left. Don't write "=" for things that are not equal!

2) You haven't multiplied by the derivative of 3- x as you should.

3) Most importantly, the derivative of f(x)*f(x) is NOT " f'(x)*f'(x)". It is, by the product rule, f'(x)*f(x)+ f(x)*f'(x) which is equal to 2f(x)f'(x), exactly what applying the chain rule to f'(x)^2 would give you.
 

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