Derivative of Composite Trigonometric Functions

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the function f(x) = cos^5(sin(8x)), which involves composite trigonometric functions. Participants are exploring the application of the chain rule and product rule in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to differentiate the function using various interpretations of the chain rule and product rule. There are discussions about the correct application of derivatives for composite functions and whether certain terms should be included in the final expression.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing different derivative expressions and questioning the validity of each other's reasoning. Some guidance on the structure of the composite function has been offered, but no consensus has been reached regarding the correct derivative form.

Contextual Notes

There is some confusion regarding the interpretation of the function's composition and the application of the derivative rules, leading to differing opinions on the final derivative expression.

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Homework Statement


What is the derivative of f(x) = cos^5(sin(8x))



Homework Equations


trig, product rule, chain rule



The Attempt at a Solution


f(x) = cos^5(sin(8x))

Answer: 5-sin^4(cos(8x))(8)
 
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kxpatel29 said:

Homework Statement


What is the derivative of f(x) = cos^5(sin(8x))



Homework Equations


trig, product rule, chain rule



The Attempt at a Solution


f(x) = cos^5(sin(8x))

Answer: 5-sin^4(cos(8x))(8)
You're close. f'(x) = 5cos4(sin(8x))*cos(8x)*8
This is the same as 40cos(8x)sin4(sin(8x))
 
Wait, isn't it

[tex] f'(x) = -40\cos^4(\sin(8x)) \cdot \sin(\sin(8x)) \cdot \cos(8x)[/tex]
?

Because

[tex] \frac{d}{dx} (\cos(\sin(8x))^5 = 5(\cos(\sin(8x))^4 \cdot \frac{d}{dx}(\cos(\sin(8x)) = 5(\cos(\sin(8x))^4 \cdot -\sin(\sin(8x)) \cdot \frac{d}{dx}(\sin(8x)) = -5(\cos(\sin(8x))^4 \cdot \sin(\sin(8x)) \cdot 8 \cos(8x)[/tex]
[tex] = -40(\cos(\sin(8x))^4 \cdot \sin(\sin(8x)) \cdot \cos(8x) = -40\cos^4(\sin(8x)) \cdot \sin(\sin(8x)) \cdot \cos(8x)[/tex]

Or is your answer somehow equivalent to this?
 
spamiam said:
Wait, isn't it

[tex] f'(x) = -40\cos^4(\sin(8x)) \cdot \sin(\sin(8x)) \cdot \cos(8x)[/tex]
?
No. You should not have a factor of sin(sin(8x)).

The original function is a composite of three functions: g(h(k(x))), where g(x) = x5, h(x) = sin(x), and k(x) = 8x.

f'(x) = g'(h(k(x)) * h'(k(x)) * k'(x)
spamiam said:
Because

[tex] \frac{d}{dx} (\cos(\sin(8x))^5 = 5(\cos(\sin(8x))^4 \cdot \frac{d}{dx}(\cos(\sin(8x)) = 5(\cos(\sin(8x))^4 \cdot -\sin(\sin(8x)) \cdot \frac{d}{dx}(\sin(8x)) = -5(\cos(\sin(8x))^4 \cdot \sin(\sin(8x)) \cdot 8 \cos(8x)[/tex]
[tex] = -40(\cos(\sin(8x))^4 \cdot \sin(\sin(8x)) \cdot \cos(8x) = -40\cos^4(\sin(8x)) \cdot \sin(\sin(8x)) \cdot \cos(8x)[/tex]

Or is your answer somehow equivalent to this?
 
Okay, either I'm being really thick or one of us is misreading the question.

kxpatel29 said:

Homework Statement


What is the derivative of f(x) = cos^5(sin(8x))

f(x) = cos^5(sin(8x)) = (cos(sin(8x)))^5.

Then f is the composition of 4 functions namely A(x) = x5, B(x) = cos(x), C(x) = sin(x), and D(x) = 8x.

Then f(x) = A(B(C(D(x)))).

And just to further persuade you, see attached.
 

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