Derivative of Dirac Delta function

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around evaluating the derivative of the Dirac delta function, specifically in the context of a function g(x). Participants explore the distributional properties of the delta function and its derivative, addressing both theoretical and practical aspects of the evaluation.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to evaluate the expression \(\delta'(g(x))\) in the distributional sense, distinguishing it from the derivative of \(\delta(g(x))\).
  • Another participant clarifies that \(\delta'\) acts as a linear operator on functions and suggests using integration by parts to evaluate \(\langle \delta',\, g\rangle\).
  • A participant specifies their interest in evaluating \(\int \delta'(g(x))\phi(x)dx\) and proposes a substitution method involving an invertible function g(x) to facilitate integration.
  • One participant offers an alternative perspective, suggesting that the Dirac delta can be viewed as a limit of a normal distribution and proposes this as a method for approaching the problem.
  • A later reply affirms the correctness of the substitution method and notes the potential complications if g is not injective, mentioning that multiple terms may arise from evaluating against a test function.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the approach to evaluating the derivative of the Dirac delta function. While some agree on the validity of the substitution method, there is no consensus on the implications of non-injective functions or the general rules for changing variables in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the problem, particularly regarding the assumptions about the function g(x) and the implications of its injectivity on the evaluation of the distribution.

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Hello I'm trying to figure out how to evaluate(in the distribution sense)
\delta'(g(x)). Where \delta(x) is the dirac delta function. Please notice that what I want to evaluate is not \frac{d}{dx}(\delta(g(x))) but the derivative of the delta function calculated in g(x).
If anyone could post a proof, an idea to find the proof or a link it would be greatly appreciated!
 
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\delta' is a linear operator on functions. Are you referring to its value when you pair it with g(x), as in
$$ \langle \delta',\, g\rangle = \int_{\mathbb{R}} \delta'(x)g(x)\, dx \, ?$$
I'll assume you are. In that case, you use the integral notation above and then symbolically do integration by parts. Don't worry if it is not a well-defined operation because the answer you get is literally the definition of what you want.

Look here under distributional derivatives for more info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_delta_function
 
No I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. I understand the value of
\int \delta'(x)g(x)dx
I'm asking the value of
\int \delta'(g(x))\phi(x)dx
Where \phi(x) is the test function. Here it is not immediately obvious to me how to integrate by parts. I thought about this(but I am unsure of whether it is correct):
Assume that g(x) is an invertible function with as many derivatives as necessary(to keep things simple for now), so we substitute y = g(x) and get
\int \delta'(y)\frac{\phi(g^{-1}(y))}{g'(g^{-1}(y))} dy Now I could integrate by parts and get
-\int \delta(y)\frac{d}{dy}(\frac{\phi(g^{-1}(y))}{g'(g^{-1}(y))}) dy
Do you think my reasoning is correct up to here?
 
The dirac delta is just a normal distribution who's standard deviation approaches 0. Take the derivative of the normal dist. then take the limit as stdev =>0. I'm not sure if that's a valid way to do the problem, but its what I would try.
 
Ok thanks, I'll try that
 
Your calculation looks right to me, and what Aero said makes sense too. As far as proof goes, I can't remember exactly how general the rules are for changing variables like that. A book like Friedlander would probably have it...

Check out the very last post here for a similar problem:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=201774&page=2
There is no proof, but there is a citation.

If g is not injective, then in the end, when you evaluate against a test function, you should get a sum of terms, one for each zero of g. If g' and g are simultaneously 0 at any point, then I don't think the distribution is well-defined.
 

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