Derivative of Exponential Equation - Quick Question

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of an equation involving exponential functions and variables. The original poster is working with the equation e^(t/m) = (v/u)^2 and is seeking clarification on how to derive dt in relation to the variables involved.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the nature of the variables t, m, v, and u, questioning whether they should be treated as independent variables or functions of t. There is discussion on isolating dt and the implications of using logarithmic properties to simplify the equation.

Discussion Status

The conversation is active, with participants providing insights and prompting further exploration of the relationships between the variables. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of logarithms and the chain rule, but there is no explicit consensus on the final approach or solution.

Contextual Notes

There is some ambiguity regarding whether u and v are treated as functions of t, which affects the differentiation process. The original poster acknowledges a lack of clarity in their initial statements, indicating a need for further exploration of the problem.

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Homework Statement


I just have a quick question concerning the derivative of both sides of the equation shown below.

Homework Equations


Starting with e^\frac{t}{m}=(\frac{v}{u})^2

The Attempt at a Solution


Would it be correct that: dt=(2m)(\frac{dv}{v}-\frac{du}{u})
 
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Wait... so you have a multivariate, implicit function right? Where you want to treat t, m, v and u all as variables.

Are you trying to find \frac{∂}{∂t} of both sides?
 
I am trying to isolate for dt so that I can use it in another equation
 
So you want to get t to be an explicit function in terms of m, v and u and then find dt with respect to what?
 
v and u
 
Okay, so first off, what is t in terms of m, v and u ( Hint : Use ln to simplify this nicely ).

Then find \frac{∂t}{∂v} and \frac{∂t}{∂u}
 
well if t=2m(ln(v)-ln(u)), then I would conclude that dt=2m(dv/v) or dt=-2m(du/u). However, does this mean that dt cannot be 2m(dv/v-du/u) ?
 
Airsteve0 said:

Homework Statement


I just have a quick question concerning the derivative of both sides of the equation shown below.

Homework Equations


Starting with e^\frac{t}{m}=(\frac{v}{u})^2


The Attempt at a Solution


Would it be correct that: dt=(2m)(\frac{dv}{v}-\frac{du}{u})
If u and v are functions of t, then yes, you are correct.
 
SammyS said:
If u and v are functions of t, then yes, you are correct.

This is something that was shown in one of my classes but I am unsure of the steps to show it? Would you mind showing me just from the line t=2m(ln(v)-ln(u))?
 
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Airsteve0 said:
This is something that was shown in one of my classes but I am unsure of the steps to show it? Would you mind showing me just from the line t=2m(ln(v)-ln(u))?

I was under the impression that you meant u, v and m were variables, but if u and v are functions of t, then you have to remember to use the chain rule here.
 
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my apologies for not being clear, I think I have things figured out though, thanks!
 

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