Integrate: ## \int \cos^m(x)\sin^n(x)~dx ##

  • Thread starter Thread starter Fatima Hasan
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Integration
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the integral of the form ##\int \cos^m(x)\sin^n(x)~dx##, with participants examining the validity of the expression and potential typographical errors in the problem statement.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the setup of the integral, questioning the correctness of the differential expressions and the presence of variables in the problem statement. There are attempts to derive expressions for ##u## and ##du##, as well as discussions about the implications of different values for ##m## and ##n##.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing examination of the integral's formulation, with some participants suggesting that there may be a typo in the original problem. Others have pointed out inconsistencies in the expressions derived, leading to further questioning of the assumptions made in the setup.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the left-hand side of the integral does not appear to include the variable ##n##, which raises concerns about the integrity of the problem statement. Additionally, there are references to testing specific integer values for ##m## and ##n## to illustrate potential discrepancies in the expected outcomes.

Fatima Hasan
Messages
315
Reaction score
14

Homework Statement


Derive that:
png.png

Correction (from a later post)
The integral on the left side should be ##\int \cos^m(x)\sin^n(x)~dx##

Homework Equations


-

The Attempt at a Solution


Anyone can help me on how to start?

## u = cos^m x ##

## du = m cos^{m-1} x ##

## dv = sin^n x dx ##

## v = \frac{sin^{n+1} x}{n} ##
 

Attachments

  • png.png
    png.png
    5.6 KB · Views: 733
Last edited by a moderator:
Physics news on Phys.org
Hi,
##du = m \cos^{m-1} x## can not be correct; the left hand side is a differential and the right hand side is not. Also, it is clearly wrong for ##m = 1## ...
 
BvU said:
Hi,
##du = m \cos^{m-1} x## can not be correct; the left hand side is a differential and the right hand side is not. Also, it is clearly wrong for ##m = 1## ...
How to derive ## u = cos^{m} \,\,\, x ## ?
 
Last edited:
You use the chain rule :wink:
 
BvU said:
You use the chain rule :wink:
Pediatric_Surgery.png
 

Attachments

  • Pediatric_Surgery.png
    Pediatric_Surgery.png
    12.7 KB · Views: 351
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: BvU
Now that we have settled that: is there a typo in the problem statement ? On the left I see no variable ##n## !?
 
BvU said:
Now that we have settled that: is there a typo in the problem statement ? On the left I see no variable ##n## !?
yeah , it should be ∫cosmx sinndx
 
png.png
 

Attachments

  • png.png
    png.png
    3.4 KB · Views: 332
Doesn't look like the expression in post #1 yet, does it ?
What could be the trick to get e.g. ##m+n## in the denominator ?
 
  • #10
How can I ?
 
  • #11
Fatima Hasan said:
How can I ?

You cannot. Your are being asked to show something that is false. If you let ##L## be your (corrected) left-hand-side and ##R## the right-hand-side, then trying out some small integer values of ##m## and ##n## will show that the result is wrong. For example:
$$\begin{array}{cl}
m=2,n=2: & L = -\frac{1}{4} \cos(x)^3 \sin(x)+ \frac{1}{8} \cos(x) \sin(x)+ \frac{1}{8} x&\\
& R = \frac{1}{4} \cos(x) \sin(x)^3- \frac{1}{8} \cos(x) \sin(x)+\frac{1}{8} x \\
m=5,n=3: & L = - \frac{1}{8} \cos(x)^6 \sin(x)^2- \frac{1}{24} \cos(x)^6 \\
&R = \frac{1}{8} \cos(x)^4 \sin(x)^4-\frac{1}{10} \cos(x)^3 \sin(x)^2- \frac{1}{15} \cos(x)^3
\end{array}
$$

You can check these using a computer algebra system; I used Maple, but you can do it (at no cost) using Wolfram Alpha, for example.
 
Last edited:
  • #12
Checking some online tables of trig integrals, I found this one that is nearly the same as that in the OP:

$$\int \cos^m(x)\sin^n(x)dx = \frac{\cos^{m-1}(x)\sin^{n+1}(x)}{m + n} + \frac{m - 1}{m + n}\int \cos^{m-2}(x)\sin^n(x)dx$$
The main difference between this integral formula and the one in post #1 is the exponent on the cosine factor in the last integral.
In post 1, the exponent is m - n. In the formulat just above, the exponent is m - 2. As @Ray Vickson points out, the integral as posted isn't correct, so it's very likely that the m-n exponent is a typo.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 22 ·
Replies
22
Views
3K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K