Derivative of Inverse Function

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of an inverse function, specifically g'(-1/2), where g(x) is the inverse of the function f(x) = x³ / (x² + 1). Participants are exploring the relationship between the original function and its inverse, as well as the implications of differentiating these functions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the method of finding g'(-1/2) using the relationship g'(x) = 1/f'[g(x)]. There are attempts to differentiate f(x) and to solve for when f(a) = -1/2 to find g(-1/2). Some participants express confusion about the steps and the implications of their calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing various insights and corrections to each other's attempts. Some guidance has been offered regarding the differentiation process and the need to find the correct values for g(-1/2) and f'(-1). However, there is no explicit consensus on the approach, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the problem, including potential multiple solutions for the inverse function due to the nature of cubic equations. There are also indications of confusion regarding the differentiation process and how to apply the results correctly in the context of the inverse function.

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Homework Statement



Find g' (-1/2), where g(x) is the inverse of f(x) = x3 / (x2 + 1)

Homework Equations



g'(x) = 1/f' [g(x)]

The Attempt at a Solution



Everything else I tried got really messy, but I feel like I'm going out on a limb by:

1) y=x3 / (x2+1)

2) y=x3x-2 / 1

3) y=x

4) g '(0.5)= 1/ (0.53 /(0.52+1) = 10

I don't even know if I'm going about it the right way. Any help would be awesome. Thanks.
 
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You say in 1) that
y = x^3 / (x^2 + 1)
and in 3) that
y = x.

If you put in x = 1 you see that in 1) you get 1/2 and in 3) you get 1. Something must hence be wrong.
 
Very true. I realize something is wrong. That was just my attempt.
 
But . . . I could still use some help with this problem, obviously.
 
sydneyfranke said:
1) y=x3 / (x2+1)

2) y=x3x-2 / 1

Line 2 is incorrect, it should be

y=x3x-2 / (1+x-2),

which actually just makes things more complicated. Just differentiate the expression on line 1 directly.
 
It would help to figure out what g(-1/2) was equal to

Then you could just plug stuff into this relationship: g'(x) = 1/f' [g(x)] -> g'(-1/2) = 1/f' [g(-1/2)]

Since we know that g is the inverse of f, we should try to solve when f(a) = -1/2. Then we would know a = g(-1/2).

So -1/2 = x^3 / (x^2 + 1) -> -1/2*(x^2 + 1) = x^3 -> 0 = x^3 + 1/2x^2 + ½ which clearly has a solution at -1. So we know g(-1/2) = -1 which means: g'(-1/2) = 1/f'(-1) and you can do the rest from there id bet.
 
So I differentiate to get

(x2+1(3x2))-(2x(x3))/((x2+1)2)

And then I dared to simplify it down to

(x4+3x2)/((x2+1)2)

But what I don't understand from all of this is that if I do that, am I plugging this in for the g(x) for the 1/ f '[g(x)]? That would be like plugging f '[f '(x)] right? I'm sorry I'm just trying to understand how to solve these types of problems.
 
As the guy above said, if f(c) = -1/2 then g(-1/2) = c. To find out what g(-1/2) is we need to find c, that is to solve the equation f(x) = -1/2.

When this is done you can just plug everything into the formula.
 
sydneyfranke said:
So I differentiate to get

(x2+1(3x2))-(2x(x3))/((x2+1)2)

And then I dared to simplify it down to

(x4+3x2)/((x2+1)2)

But what I don't understand from all of this is that if I do that, am I plugging this in for the g(x) for the 1/ f '[g(x)]? That would be like plugging f '[f '(x)] right? I'm sorry I'm just trying to understand how to solve these types of problems.

Surely if I have a function y=f(x), then the inverse is just x=g(y) and it's derivative is [itex]\frac{dx}{dy}[/itex] which is a function of y. So that for:

[tex]f(x)=\frac{x^3}{x^2+1}[/tex]

we have [itex]x=f^{-1}(y)[/itex] and so the derivative of the inverse at [itex]y_0[/itex] can be written as:

[tex]\frac{df^{-1}}{dy}\biggr|_{y_0}=\frac{dx}{dy}\biggr|_{y_0}=\frac{1}{\frac{dy}{dx}}\biggr|_{x(y_0)}[/tex]

So now let [itex]y_0=-1/2[/tex]. Then solve:<br /> <br /> [tex]y_0=-1/2=\frac{x^3}{x^2+1}[/tex] <br /> <br /> which has three solutions. The inverse and it's derivative are multi-valued right since it's going to be a cube root correct? Therefore, just find the three roots [itex](x_1,x_2,x_3)[/itex] and for example, then one derivative of the inverse at y=-1/2 is:<br /> <br /> [tex]\frac{df^{-1}}{dy}\biggr|_{y=-1/2}=\frac{dx}{dy}\biggr|_{y=-1/2}=\frac{1}{\frac{dy}{dx}}\biggr|_{x(-1/2)=x_1}[/tex]<br /> <br /> Try and follow the following Mathematica code which explicitly computes the inverse, then finds it's (multivalued) derivative at y=-1/2:<br /> <br /> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--screenLimited bbCodeBlock--code"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <i class="fa--xf fal fa-code "><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" role="img" aria-hidden="true" ><use href="/data/local/icons/light.svg?v=1776459805#code"></use></svg></i> Code: </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content" dir="ltr"> <pre class="bbCodeCode" dir="ltr" data-xf-init="code-block" data-lang=""><code>f[x_] := x^3/(x^2 + 1); mysols = x /. Solve[f[x] == y, x] N[D[mysols, y] /. y -> -2^(-1)]</code></pre> </div> </div>[/itex]
 
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