Derivative of projectile parametric y-component?

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the y-component of a projectile's motion, represented by a specific parametric equation. The user, Matt, initially struggles with the derivative but receives confirmation from another participant, Integral, that his derivative expression is correct. The conversation shifts to solving the derivative by setting it to zero and isolating the exponential term. Futz provides guidance on expanding terms and combining them correctly, leading to a derived formula for time, t, expressed in terms of natural logarithms. The thread highlights the importance of careful manipulation of exponential functions in calculus and the collaborative nature of problem-solving in mathematical discussions.
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Hi,

I'm looking for the derivative of the projectile parametric y-component?

The y component is:

y = (vi/k)(1-e^-kt)(sin a) + (g/k^2)(1 - kt - e^-kt)

I seem to be doing something wrong and my derivative isn't working out, I just want to check it against the final answer to see where I am going wrong.

Thanks

Matt
 
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I get
dy/dt = Vie-ktsin(a)+g(e-kt-1)/k
 
Yep, that's it. Thanks, Integral.

I forgot d/dx [ e^u ] is e^u * du/dx

Ah, the devil is in the details! Now to step two, how to solve it? I logged both sides, used the power rule and everything else I could think of, but it is not working out. Any other suggestions beside logging?

[Edited for spelling mistake]
 
No ideas? :(
 
What do you mean by "solve it"?? Presumably you don't mean "How did you get that answer" because you said "Yep, that's it". What exactly do you want to do with the derivative?
 
Ooops, sorry.

Im settng the derivative to zero and solving for t.
 
The first term contains an exp(-kt). Expand out the second term into two separate terms, one of which will contain the same exp(-kt) factor. Combine terms containing the exponential, move everything else over to the other side and once the exponential is isolated, then take the natural log of both sides.

I got something like

t = (-1/k)*ln[(g/k)*(Vi*sin(a)+g/k)^(-1)]
 
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Thanks, Futz. I was combining the exponentials wrong.

Here it is solved for t:

http://homepage.mac.com/jjacques2/maxheight.jpg
 
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