Derivative of sec²(2x) - tan²(2x)

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The discussion centers on the derivative of the expression sec²(2x) - tan²(2x), exploring various methods of differentiation, including the use of trigonometric identities and the chain rule. Participants engage in technical reasoning and clarification of differentiation techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant rewrites the expression as $\frac{1}{\cos^2(2x)} - \frac{\sin^2(2x)}{\cos^2(2x)}$ and concludes that it simplifies to 1, leading to a derivative of 0.
  • Another participant suggests using the identity $\sec^2{(x)} \equiv 1 + \tan^2{(x)}$ to simplify the expression before differentiation, also arriving at a conclusion of 1.
  • A different approach is presented where participants differentiate the expression term by term using the power and chain rules, resulting in a calculation that ultimately simplifies to 0.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of using parentheses to clarify the differentiation process, noting a potential misunderstanding in the interpretation of the expression.

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Participants express different methods for approaching the differentiation, with some favoring simplification using identities and others preferring direct differentiation. No consensus is reached on the preferred method, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach.

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Participants highlight the importance of proper notation and parentheses in mathematical expressions, indicating that misunderstandings can arise from ambiguous formatting. There is also a lack of agreement on whether to simplify the expression before differentiation.

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$\displaystyle\frac{d}{dx} sec^2(2x)-tan^2(2x)$

rewriting...

$\displaystyle\frac{1}{cos^2(2x)}-\frac{sin^2(2x)}{cos^2(2x)}$

$\displaystyle\frac{cos^2(2x)}{cos^2(2x)}=1$

$\displaystyle\frac{d}{dx}(1)=0$

I put this in $W|A$ but there were many complicated steps just to get the same answer

how do you use the chain rule on $sec^2(2x)$ and $tan^2(2x)$
 
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Re: derivative of sec^2(2x)-tan^2(2x)

karush said:
$\displaystyle\frac{d}{dx} sec^2(2x)-tan^2(2x)$

rewriting...

$\displaystyle\frac{1}{cos^2(2x)}-\frac{sin^2(2x)}{cos^2(2x)}$

$\displaystyle\frac{cos^2(2x)}{cos^2(2x)}=1$

$\displaystyle\frac{d}{dx}(1)=0$

I put this in $W|A$ but there were many complicated steps just to get the same answer

how do you use the chain rule on $sec^2(2x)$ and $tan^2(2x)$

What you've done is fine, I don't know why you're worrying.

An alternative is to use the identity \displaystyle \begin{align*} \sec^2{(x)} \equiv 1 + \tan^2{(x)} \end{align*}, giving

\displaystyle \begin{align*} \sec^2{(2x)} - \tan^2{(2x)} &\equiv 1 + \tan^2{(2x)} - \tan^2{(2x)} \\ &\equiv 1 \end{align*}
 
Re: derivative of sec^2(2x)-tan^2(2x)

karush said:
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how do you use the chain rule on $sec^2(2x)$ and $tan^2(2x)$

Suppose you do not smplify the expression using trigonometric identities before differentiating:

$$\frac{d}{dx}\left(\sec^2(2x)-\tan^2(2x) \right)=$$

Differentiating term by term, using the power and chain rules, we find:

$$2\sec(2x)\cdot\frac{d}{dx}(\sec(2x))-2\tan(2x)\cdot\frac{d}{dx}(\tan(2x))=$$

$$2\sec(2x)\cdot\sec(2x)\tan(2x)\cdot\frac{d}{dx}(2x)-2\tan(2x)\cdot\sec^2(2x)\cdot\frac{d}{dx}(2x)=$$

$$4\sec^2(2x)\tan(2x)-4\sec^2(2x)\tan(2x)=0$$
 
Re: derivative of sec^2(2x)-tan^2(2x)

karush said:
$\displaystyle\frac{d}{dx} sec^2(2x)-tan^2(2x)$
Please use parenthesis when needed. The line above reads:
[math]\frac{d}{dx} \left ( sec^2(2x) \right ) - tan^2(2x)[/math]

not
[math]\frac{d}{dx} \left ( sec^2(2x) - tan^2(2x) \right )[/math]
which is what you wanted.

-Dan
 

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