Derive a formula from the uncertainty principle

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The discussion revolves around deriving a formula from the uncertainty principle related to the spectral line of the Lyman series, specifically focusing on the longest wavelength. The subject area includes quantum mechanics and atomic physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the uncertainty principle and its relation to spectral line broadening. There is an exploration of relevant equations and the need for additional information, such as the lifetime of the excited state. Some participants question whether the provided equations are sufficient for the derivation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants offering insights into the relationship between lifetime broadening and the uncertainty principle. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of the time-energy uncertainty relation, but there is no consensus on the complete approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of knowing the lifetime or transition rate of the excited state to proceed with the derivation. There is mention of the need to consider reduced mass corrections for different isotopes, which adds complexity to the problem.

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Homework Statement


Derive from the uncertainty principle a formula for the relative spread of the spectral line that corresponds to the longest wavelength of the Lyman series.


Homework Equations


uncertainty principle:
σxσp≥\hbar/2

planck constant
\hbar=h/2pi
h=λp

Lyman series:
1/λ=RH(1-1/n2)

λ=hc/Ei-Ef

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm not quite sure how to go about the problem. I have gathered some formulas I believe will help me out. If I substitute some of these formulas into the uncertainty principle I get

σxσp≥(hc/Ei-Ef)p/(4pi)

I'm not sure where to go from here. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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I don't think it's possible to solve the problem using only those equations. You are probably expected to approximate the "lifetime broadening" of the spectral line. You'd have to know the lifetime/transition rate of the excited state corresponding to the spectral line, and use the time-energy uncertainty relation ##\Delta E \Delta t \geq \hbar / 2##.
 
Let's say the lifetime of the excited state is 10^-7 seconds. How would I go about deriving the formula from there?
 
Well, if you know the lifetime ##\Delta t##, then the spectral linewidth is just ##\Delta E \approx \frac{\hbar}{2\Delta t}##.
 
This seems right. The only thing is the problem then asks to use this formula to calculate this kind of spread of spectral lines for both hydrogen and tritium for this spectral line with and without the reduced mass correction to the Bohr model of both hydrogen and tritium. If this formula is correct then the answer would be the same for both hydrogen and tritium right?
 

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