Finding the Correct Equation for Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle

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The discussion centers on the application of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, specifically the equation \(\Delta E \Delta t \geq h\). The user attempts to calculate a time interval for a laser to cover the visible spectrum (400 to 700 nm) using the formula \(E = \frac{hc}{\lambda}\) and its derivative. However, it is established that the correct form of the equation should involve the reduced Planck's constant, \(\hbar\), leading to \(\delta E \delta t \geq \frac{\hbar}{2} = \frac{h}{4\pi}\). The user acknowledges confusion regarding the use of Planck's constant versus \(\hbar\) due to an error in the problem set.

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I'm given a form of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle in the form of:

\Delta E\Delta t\geq h

I need to determine a time interval which would allow a laser to cover the whole visible spectrum, from 400 to 700nm.

Now given the relationship is on on a relative scale I used the approximation:
\Delta E\Delta t\approx h

I then used the following formula:

E=\frac{hc}{\lambda}
and differentiated like so:
\Delta E = -\frac{hc}{\lambda ^{2}}\Delta \lambda
Which I then substituted back in:

(-\frac{hc}{\lambda ^{2}}\Delta \lambda)\Delta t \approx h

Is this correct so far?
 
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Lancelot59 said:
I'm given a form of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle in the form of:

\Delta E\Delta t\geq h

I need to determine a time interval which would allow a laser to cover the whole visible spectrum, from 400 to 700nm.

Now given the relationship is on on a relative scale I used the approximation:
\Delta E\Delta t\approx h

I then used the following formula:

E=\frac{hc}{\lambda}
and differentiated like so:
\Delta E = -\frac{hc}{\lambda ^{2}}\Delta \lambda
Which I then substituted back in:

(-\frac{hc}{\lambda ^{2}}\Delta \lambda)\Delta t \approx h

Is this correct so far?

Actually, the equation is not correct (I'm assuming h to be the Planck's constant). It would be:

$$ \delta E\mbox{ }\delta t\geq\frac{\hbar}{2}=\frac{h}{4\pi} $$

Also, I don't see what you differentiated with respect to.
 
dimension10 said:
Actually, the equation is not correct (I'm assuming h to be the Planck's constant). It would be:

$$ \delta E\mbox{ }\delta t\geq\frac{\hbar}{2}=\frac{h}{4\pi} $$

So if you were to use the correct equation with the same method, then you would have been correct.

I see the issue. The problem set gave us the wrong h...I'll re run it and let you know the result.

EDIT: I'm confused now. Should I be using h bar in all of the locations? This error in the problem set has mixed me up.
 
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