Derive a general expression for range when launch angle=0

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The discussion revolves around deriving a general expression for the range of a projectile when the launch angle is zero. Participants explore the implications of launching a projectile horizontally from a height and the associated equations of motion.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between launch angle and range, with some attempting to derive the range using vertical and horizontal motion equations. Questions arise regarding the conditions under which the range is calculated, particularly concerning initial height and launch angle.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided feedback on the original poster's approach, indicating potential misunderstandings about the problem setup. There is ongoing exploration of the correct interpretation of the problem, particularly regarding the initial height and the implications of a zero launch angle.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of an initial height from which the projectile is launched, which may not have been clearly defined in the original problem statement. Participants are questioning the assumptions made about the height and the launch angle, particularly in relation to the equations used.

aron silvester
1. The problem statement, all variables, and given/known data
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The Attempt at a Solution


So basically I took vertical direction formula and I solved for "t". I then took the horizontal direction formula and solved for "x" or we can also call x the "Range" since that's what the problem is asking for. Is this right?
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Correct. Good job!
 
TSny said:
Correct. Good job!
Hey thanks, but my professor got this. The equation that I got is the same as the expression on the left side of the addition sign, and then he's adding an equation inside a square root. Why is that?
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I haven't looked at your professors solution but I think yours is wrong.

If the launch angle is zero then sin(θ) = 0 and the range will always be zero unless it's fired from some initial height y0. Yet you state y0=0.

The problem statement mentions "h" which I think meant to be the initial launch height eg it's fired from the top of a hill of height h.
 
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i mean if you set up theta=0, you will not get the formula. then you get that formula, R=V0*t
= vo*√(2h/g)
 
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aron silvester said:
Hey thanks, but my professor got this. The equation that I got is the same as the expression on the left side of the addition sign, and then he's adding an equation inside a square root. Why is that?
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As @CWatters noted, you solved the problem for firing the projectile with a nonzero angle over level ground, so the projectile returns to the same height as it was fired from. But it looks like you were meant to solve a different problem where the projectile is fired horizontally (##\theta = 0##) off a cliff of height h. I apologize for not catching that earlier.
 
CWatters said:
I haven't looked at your professors solution but I think yours is wrong.

If the launch angle is zero then sin(θ) = 0 and the range will always be zero unless it's fired from some initial height y0. Yet you state y0=0.

The problem statement mentions "h" which I think meant to be the initial launch height eg it's fired from the top of a hill of height h.
TSny said:
As @CWatters noted, you solved the problem for firing the projectile with a nonzero angle over level ground, so the projectile returns to the same height as it was fired from. But it looks like you were meant to solve a different problem where the projectile is fired horizontally (##\theta = 0##) off a cliff of height h. I apologize for not catching that earlier.

I finally solved it, but I have a question. When I used the quadratic formula, why did I have to multiply the inside of the square root by (v^2cos^2(θ))/g^2 and again by (v^2cos^2(θ))/1 ?? The part where I do this is in pink ink.
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aron silvester said:
I finally solved it, but I have a question. When I used the quadratic formula, why did I have to multiply the inside of the square root by (v^2cos^2(θ))/g^2 and again by (v^2cos^2(θ))/1 ?? The part where I do this is in pink ink.
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When you bring something into the square root, you have to square it. The something here is ##\frac{v_0^2 \cos ^ 2\theta}{g}##. So, after bringing it into the square root, the ##v_0## and ##\cos{\theta}## are raised to the 4th power.
 

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