Derive mgf bivariate normal distribution

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The discussion revolves around deriving the joint moment generating function (mgf) for bivariate normal distributions. Participants explore various methods and steps involved in the derivation process, including the use of power series expansions and integration techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for the proof of the joint moment generating function for bivariate normal distributions, specifically noting the expression M_x,y (s,t) = E(e^(xs+yt)).
  • Another participant suggests expanding the exponential in a power series, stating that the expectation of each term corresponds to the moment.
  • There is a repeated emphasis on the need to place e^(xs+yt) under the integral sign in the derivation process.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about whether their approach will yield the mgf of the bivariate normal distribution, indicating they are currently stuck in the derivation.
  • A later reply mentions that the outcome will depend on the form of f_{XY}(x,y), asserting that if it is bivariate normal, the moment generating function will be obtained.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method for deriving the mgf, and there are competing views on the placement of terms in the integral and the overall approach to the derivation.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about specific steps in the derivation, particularly regarding the integration and the form of the joint probability density function.

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Does anyone know the proof of joint moment generating functions for bivariate normal distributions?
M_x,y (s,t)= E(e^(xs+yt))
 
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Expand the exponential in a power series. E(each term) is that moment.
 
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mathman said:
Expand the exponential in a power series. E(each term) is that moment.
I'm actually suppose to do it like
mathman said:
Expand the exponential in a power series. E(each term) is that moment.
great idea
it is possible to do it this way ?
its a very long step.
M(s,t)= e(xs+yt) ∫∫ fXY (x,y) dxdy
= e(xs+yt) ∫∫ (1/(2π√(1-ρ2xσy)) exp [ [-1/2(1-ρ2)] [(x-μxx)2 + (y-μyy)2 - 2ρ(x-μxx)(y-μyy)}
 
Lewis7879 said:
I'm actually suppose to do it like

great idea
it is possible to do it this way ?
its a very long step.
M(s,t)= e(xs+yt) ∫∫ fXY (x,y) dxdy
= e(xs+yt) ∫∫ (1/(2π√(1-ρ2xσy)) exp [ [-1/2(1-ρ2)] [(x-μxx)2 + (y-μyy)2 - 2ρ(x-μxx)(y-μyy)}
No. e^{(xs+yt)} must be under the integral sign.
 
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mathman said:
Expand the exponential in a power series. E(each term) is that moment.
I'm actually suppose to do it like
M(s,t)=
mathman said:
No. e^{(xs+yt)} must be under the integral sign.
yes I know that but will I get the solution of mgf of bivariate normal distribution ? I'm stuck current trying to derive it.
 
Lewis7879 said:
I'm actually suppose to do it like
M(s,t)=

yes I know that but will I get the solution of mgf of bivariate normal distribution ? I'm stuck current trying to derive it.
That will depend on what f_{XY}(x,y) is. If it is bivariate normal, then you will get its moment generating function.
 

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