Deriviation of WKB approximation

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The discussion centers around the derivation of the WKB approximation in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the expansion of the function S(x) in powers of \hbar. Participants explore the implications of this expansion and its connection to classical mechanics, as well as the concept of asymptotic series.

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Main Points Raised

  • René questions the rationale behind expanding S(x) in powers of \hbar, suggesting that S_0 represents the classical result and subsequent terms are quantum corrections.
  • Some participants propose that the form of S(x) incorporates the correspondence principle, indicating that taking the limit as \hbar approaches 0 recovers classical mechanics.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about treating \hbar as a variable for expansion, questioning how a constant can be used in a power series.
  • One response suggests that treating constants as parameters is common in physics, allowing for a family of solutions parameterized by \hbar, assuming smooth behavior with respect to \hbar.
  • René reflects on the nature of power series with respect to constants, noting that any number can be expressed as a power series in another number.
  • A participant mentions that the power series for S(x) is described as an asymptotic series in their textbook, indicating that it does not converge and that a finite number of terms provides the best approximation.
  • Another participant attempts to clarify the meaning of an asymptotic series, suggesting that adding more terms does not significantly reduce relative error.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the expansion of S(x) in powers of \hbar. There is no consensus on the interpretation of this expansion or the nature of asymptotic series, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the assumption that solutions behave smoothly with respect to \hbar, which is based on experience rather than formal proof. The discussion also highlights the distinction between convergence and asymptotic behavior in series expansions.

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Hey!

In deriving the WKB approximation the wave function is written as

<br /> \psi \left( x \right) = exp\left[ i S\left( x \right) \right ]<br />

Now, in some of the deriviations I've seen, the function S(x) is expanded as a power series in \hbar as

<br /> S(x) = S_0(x) + \hbar S_1(x) + \frac{\hbar}{2} S_2(x) ...<br />

I don't really understand this. It's something like S_0 being the classical result and, the next term being a first order quantum correction and so on. But why do you choose to expand in powers of \hbar? Can somebody explain to me what this is all about?

Thanks in advance
René
 
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That particular form for S(x) has the correspondence principle built right into it. If you take the limit as \hbar \rightarrow 0, you recover the classical result.
 
Tom Mattson said:
That particular form for S(x) has the correspondence principle built right into it. If you take the limit as \hbar \rightarrow 0, you recover the classical result.

(This thread appeared on Google and I have the exact same question) I am extremely confused at your statement. \hbar is a constant, right? How on Earth can one construct a power series of a function S(x) by expanding it as a function of a constant? What does that even mean?

I have taken a few (more like 1.5 and some self study) classes in QM on the engineering side, but this is over my head. I've currently borrowed a few different QM textbooks and they all say the same opaque thing.
 
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You'll be seeing a lot more constants being treated like parameters in physics, so you'll have to get used to it.

Lets parameterize all the possible universes by different values of \hbar, and solve quantum mechanics in each of them. Then you'd get a family of solutions parameterized by \hbar. If you choose our universe, corresponding to our \hbar, then in principle you have the solution to QM in our universe, no?

There's a caveat, of course. You have to assume that the solutions to problems behave smoothly with \hbar, which is a reasonable assumption, but only comes from experience.

Anyway, if you stick around long enough you'll get to differentiate with respect to orbital angular momentum \ell and all sorts of goodness (Feynman-Hellman theorem)
 
I think I understand a little better now, but I'll try to explain what is bugging me still. After reading around, I've come to the conclusion a power series with respect to constants is not so far-fetched: For example, any decimal number can be expressed as a power series in 10, or any other number really.

However, the textbook I am primarily using ( Bransden & Joachain Quantum Mechanics: Second Edition ) mentions the power series for S(x) "does not converge, but is an asymptotic series for the function S(x). As a result, the best approximation to S(x) is obtained by keeping a finite number of terms". I've been reading about asymptotic series, but their rationale/use isn't very clear to me still.
 
I guess the closest I can come to what an asymptotic series means in words, it's "Adding more terms to the expansion won't make the relative error appreciably smaller". Is this accurate?
 

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