Deriving potential energy of an electron inside a nucleus

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The discussion revolves around deriving the potential energy of an electron within a nucleus modeled as a uniformly charged sphere. The original poster presents an equation for potential energy and seeks assistance in understanding the derivation process, particularly regarding the integration involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the integration process needed to derive the potential energy, including splitting the integral into segments and applying limits. There are attempts to clarify the calculation details and the significance of specific terms in the equation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the integration process, suggesting the use of definite integrals and the importance of limits. There is acknowledgment of the original poster's progress, but questions remain about specific aspects of the derivation.

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There is a mention of the original poster's background in physics and their current studies, which may influence their familiarity with the concepts discussed. The conversation also reflects a learning environment where participants are encouraged to clarify their understanding of integration limits and the derivation process.

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Homework Statement



Derive equation below. It is the potential energy of an electron inside a nucleus assumed to be a uniformly charged sphere of R.

Homework Equations



V'(r) =( -Ze2/4∏ε0R)(3/2 - (1/2)(r/R)^2)

The Attempt at a Solution



So I understand that I need to find the

∫ from infinity to a point A (A exists inside the uniformly charged sphere)

I did this by splitting it between infinity to B(on surface of sphere) and A to B.

I did get the (-Ze^2/4∏ε0R)(1/2)(r/R)^2, but I just am lost for the 3/2. Any help would be wonderful.

Thanks!
 
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Hello, mafisco. Welcome to PF.

Sounds like you have the right idea. Can you show more detail of your calculation for each part of the split?
 
Hey, thanks! I'm going to be here for a while I believe, taking on a nuclear physics class and it's been a while since I've done physics.

Alright, so I know that

E*dA= (Qenc/(ε0*Volume(4/3∏R3))) * new volume(4/3∏r3)

for the limit integral of A to B.

Taking Qenc = Ze2 and dA = 4∏r2,

I get E = Ze2r/(4∏ε0R3)

With integration, it becomes E = (Ze2r2)/(8∏ε0R3)

That's the right hand part of what I need, but the left hand part (which I thought would be easy) appears to not give me the 3/2 I need.

What I tried :-
E*dA = Qenc/ε0. dA = 4∏r2, Qenc = Ze2.

I would end up with E = (Ze2)/(4∏ε0r2) which doesn't really give me the result I need after integration.

Let me know what I can do! Thanks!
 
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You should be doing definite integrals. So, you need to substitute in the limits of integration corresponding to points B and A.

Likewise for the integration outside the sphere from infinity to B.

(I actually prefer to switch the order of the limits and make up for it by changing the overall sign of the integrals. That way I'm always integrating from small to larger values of r and my lower limits on the integrals are less than the upper limits. So, inside the sphere, I integrate from A to B (on surface) and then outside I integrate from B to infinity. If I don't do it this way I invariably get some signs wrong. :redface:)
 
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Wonderful.

That did the trick my man, thank you very much. It seems as if I had forgotten definite integrals quite sadly.

Hope to see more people like you around, thanks again!
 
I don't get the integration limits! Can you please show how you evaluated when applying the limits?
 

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