Deriving the EOM for Proca Lagrangian

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The discussion revolves around deriving the equation of motion (EOM) for the Proca Lagrangian, which includes terms related to electromagnetic fields and a mass term for the vector field. The context is set within the Lorentz gauge condition.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the formulation of the Euler-Lagrange equations in relation to the Proca Lagrangian, questioning how to properly express derivatives with respect to covariant and contravariant components. There is a discussion on whether to use A_\sigma or A^\sigma in the equations.

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Some participants have provided insights into the formulation of the EOM, while others express uncertainty about the correct index placement in the equations. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these choices on the derivation process.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of correctly handling indices in the context of the Lagrangian formalism, emphasizing that improper index usage could lead to errors in the derivation.

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Homework Statement



Consider the Proca Lagrangian

L=-\frac{1}{16\pi}F^2-\frac{1}{c}J_{\mu}A^{\mu}+\frac{M^2}{8\pi}A_{\mu}A^{\mu}​

in the Lorentz gauge \partial_{\mu}A^{\mu}=0

Find the equation of motion.


Homework Equations



F^2=F_{\mu\nu}F^{\mu\nu}


The Attempt at a Solution



Well, first of all I'm not quite sure how E-L should look in this case. Clearly F_{\mu\nu} is the part that is the derivatives of the dependent variables (A).
What I have gotten to is
\frac{\partial L}{\partial F_{\rho \sigma}} = -\frac{F^{\rho\sigma}}{8\pi}
\frac{\partial L}{\partial A_{\sigma}}=-\frac{1}{c} J^{\sigma} + \frac{M^2}{4 \pi}A^{\sigma}

So is this the E-L for 4D special relativity?
\frac{\partial L}{\partial A_\sigma}-\partial_\sigma \left( \frac{\partial L}{\partial F_{\rho\sigma}} \right)=0​

Thanks for any help.
 
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I would more comfortable not taking a short-cut, i.e., I would expand the F's in term of A's, but, after substituting for the L's in your final equation, you seem to get the correct equation of motion.
 
Thanks so much for the quick reply.

What I'm mostly unsure about is how to formulate E-L in terms of covariant or contravariant components. Do I take the derivative with respect to A^\sigma or A_\sigma.

I guess my question could be reformulated as:

Should E-L look like
\frac{\partial L}{\partial A_\sigma}-\partial^\sigma \left( \frac{\partial L}{\partial F_{\rho\sigma}} \right)=0​
or
\frac{\partial L}{\partial A^\sigma}-\partial_\sigma \left( \frac{\partial L}{\partial F^{\rho\sigma}} \right)=0​

And based on what do I choose between the two?
 
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a2009 said:
I guess my question could be reformulated as:

Should E-L look like
\frac{\partial L}{\partial A_\sigma}-\partial^\sigma \left( \frac{\partial L}{\partial F_{\rho\sigma}} \right)=0​
or
\frac{\partial L}{\partial A^\sigma}-\partial_\sigma \left( \frac{\partial L}{\partial F^{\rho\sigma}} \right)=0​

And based on what do I choose between the two?

Neither, :smile:. In each equation, \sigma is a free index in one term and a dummy summed index in the other term, which is a no-no. In terms of index placement, an upstairs index in a denominator is like a downstairs index in a numerator, and a downstairs index in a denominator is like an upstairs index in a numerator.
 

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