Deriving the Lens Maker formula of a plano-convex lens using Fermat's Principle

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The discussion revolves around deriving the Lens Maker formula for a plano-convex lens using Fermat's Principle. Participants are exploring the relationship between the geometry of light paths and the time taken for different rays to pass through the lens.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss differentiating variables related to the time taken by light rays, specifically considering whether to differentiate with respect to the focal length or the height of the rays. There is also a focus on understanding why different rays can take the same time despite varying heights.

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning the assumptions about light paths and the parameters that influence them. Some guidance has been offered regarding the differentiation approach, but there is still exploration of the underlying principles and their implications.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of Fermat's Principle and its application to lens optics, with some references to external resources for deeper understanding. There is an acknowledgment of the need to consider rays from a point placed "infinitely far" from the lens.

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I only need help on part c. I tried to add up t1 and t2 and differentiate it. However what variables should I differentiate with respect to? If I differentiate with respect to f I got f=root(2) * h, if i differentiate with respect to R i get R tends to infinity. What should I do?
 

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You want different rays all to take the same time. What parameter selects different rays?
 
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TSny said:
You want different rays all to take the same time. What parameter selects different rays?
I should differentiate with respect to h. However, why do different rays all take the same time? Shouldn't there be different quickest light path for different h?
 
Clara Chung said:
I should differentiate with respect to h. However, why do different rays all take the same time? Shouldn't there be different quickest light path for different h?
Feynman has a nice discussion here
http://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/I_26.html

You can skip to the paragraph just before Fig 26-9 and read this as well as the next paragraph. (But if you do skip, you will miss Feynman's derivation of Snell's law (eq. 26.4) from Fermat's principle that doesn't use calculus!)

To relate this to your problem, you will want to consider the point ##P## as placed "infinitely far" to the left of the lens. Then ##P'## will be at a focal point of the lens. All the rays from ##P## that pass through the lens will be essentially horizontal. So, changing ##h## will correspond to different rays from ##P##. There will also be different rays that hit the lens in a circle at the same ##h## corresponding to rotating the figure about the horizontal axis of the lens. But, by symmetry, these will clearly take the same time from ##P## to ##P'##.
 
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