Deriving the Thick Lens Equation: How to Obtain the Equations for a Thick Lens?

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The discussion revolves around deriving the equations for a thick lens in optics, specifically focusing on the relationship between various refractive indices and radii of curvature. The original poster attempts to derive a specific equation related to thick lenses but expresses difficulty in progressing further.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the use of multiple equations and methods, including Snell's law and matrix methods, to derive the thick lens equation. Some question whether additional equations or assumptions are necessary for the derivation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different methods and approaches to the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of Snell's law and geometry, but there is no explicit consensus on the best path forward.

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There is mention of constraints regarding the refractive indices, as some participants note that certain simplifications are not applicable in this context. The original poster indicates that they cannot assume certain values for the refractive indices, which may affect their approach.

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Homework Statement


Derive the equations for the thick lens and obtain,

##\frac {1} {f}=\frac {n_L-n'} {nR_2}-\frac {n_L-n} {nR_1}-\frac {(n_L-n)(n_L-n')} {nn_L}\frac {t} {R_1R_2}##

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##n## is the medium where light ray enters,
##n_L## is the medium of the lens and ##n'## is the outer medium where light ray goes out.

The Attempt at a Solution



I used three equations to derive the upper equation

##\frac {n} {s_1}+\frac {n_L} {(s_1)'}=\frac {n_L-n} {R_1}## (1)
##\frac {n_L} {s_2}+\frac {n'} {(s_2)'}=\frac {n'-n_L} {R_2}## (2)
##s_2=t-(s_1)'## (3)

so I inserted the (3) in (2) and then I added new (2) with (1) and I get

##\frac {n} {s_1}+\frac {n'} {(s_2)'}+n_L[\frac {1} {(s_1)'}-\frac {1} {(s_1)'-t}]=\frac {n_L-n} {R_1}+\frac {n'-n_L} {R_2}##

but now I am stucked maybe is there another equation that I might need to consider or what should I do ?
 
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Looks like just a lot of grunt work with Snell's law and geometry. Or Fermat's principle and geometry.
 
Yes i derived them using matrix method
 

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