Deriving Triangle Inequality: Formal Definition of Absolute Value Method

  • Thread starter Thread starter Taylor_1989
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Inequality
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the derivation of the triangle inequality using the formal definition of absolute value. Participants are examining the correctness of a method proposed by the original poster, which involves inequalities related to absolute values of two variables, a and b.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the triangle inequality and seeks feedback on their method. Some participants question the validity of the original inequalities and the steps taken to manipulate them. Others suggest clarifying the rules for handling inequalities, particularly in the context of subtraction.

Discussion Status

Participants have provided feedback on the original poster's method, pointing out errors and suggesting improvements. The original poster has acknowledged these mistakes and presented a revised attempt at the solution, which has received some positive affirmation from other participants.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the correct application of inequality rules, and some participants express the need for clearer problem statements. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to refine understanding of the triangle inequality and its derivation.

Taylor_1989
Messages
400
Reaction score
14

Homework Statement


Hi guys, I would just like someone to go over my method for this derivation/proof ( not sure of the right word to use here). Anyway I think this is right method, but just feel like I am missing something. Could someone please check my method. Thanks in advance.

Homework Equations


$$|x|= x\geq 0 , -x < 0 $$

$$|a-b|\leq|a|-|b|$$

The Attempt at a Solution


By using the formal definition of the absolute value I get this:
[/B]
1.$$-|a|\leq a\leq |a|$$
2.$$-|b|\leq b\leq |b|$$

1-2: $$-(|a|-|b|)\leq a-b \leq |a|-|b| $$

Therefore I get: $$|a-b|\leq|a|-|b|$$

Is this correct? Is there any improvements that anyone could share. I do have a couple more variations of the triangle inequality to go through but want to try the first before posting.

 
Physics news on Phys.org
Taylor_1989 said:

Homework Statement


Hi guys, I would just like someone to go over my method for this derivation/proof ( not sure of the right word to use here). Anyway I think this is right method, but just feel like I am missing something. Could someone please check my method. Thanks in advance.

Homework Equations


$$|x|= x\geq 0 , -x < 0 $$

$$|a-b|\leq|a|-|b|$$

This is incorrect. Look at the case ##a=1, b=2##, or better still, the case ##a=1, b=-2##.
 
The first line under "relevant equations" looks odd and the second one is wrong.

You cannot subtract inequalities like that. As an example, 4<5 and 3<7, but 4-3 < 5-7 is wrong.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Buffu
I wish the section for the problem statement were filled out explicitly.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: SammyS
@mfb and @Ray Vickson have already pointed out your mistakes. I just want to add a bit to mfb's reply.

Inequalities with same "symbol" can be added and inequalities with "different symbol" can be subtracted from one another and not the other way around.
Like ## 13 < 42## and ## -42 < -1 ## can be added to produce ##-29 < 41## and ## 42 > 13 ## and ## -42 < -1 ## can be subtracted to produce ##84 > 14##.
When subtracting the symbol of inequality from which the other is subtracted will be the symbol of the resultant inequality.
 
You can make an addition out of the subtraction:

##-42 < -1## is equivalent to (edit: fixed) ##42 > 1## (reverse the sign on both sides, reverse the direction of the inequality), and that can be added to ##42>13## to ##84>14##.

And if you don't like the first step, split it in substeps:
##a<b##
subtract a on both sides
##0 < b-a##
subtract b on both sides
##-b < -a##
Now write it in the other direction:
## -a > -b##.
 
Last edited:
First thanks for the response and I see the error I made. I have also notice that I put the inequity the wrong way round sorry. So I have had another attempt at the solution which is below:

Prove: $$|a|-|b|\leq|a-b|$$

Attempt:$$a=a-b+b$$
$$|a|=|a-b+b|$$

Using triangle inequity

$$|a|\leq|a-b|+|b|$$
$$|a|-|b|\leq|a-b|$$
 
Taylor_1989 said:
First thanks for the response and I see the error I made. I have also notice that I put the inequity the wrong way round sorry. So I have had another attempt at the solution which is below:

Prove: $$|a|-|b|\leq|a-b|$$

Attempt:$$a=a-b+b$$
$$|a|=|a-b+b|$$

Using triangle inequity

$$|a|\leq|a-b|+|b|$$
$$|a|-|b|\leq|a-b|$$
Looks good.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
Replies
11
Views
3K
Replies
2
Views
2K