Deriving Velocity and Acceleration from a Distance Vector in the x-y Plane

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The problem involves deriving the velocity and acceleration vectors from a distance vector in the x-y plane, represented as \(\vec{r} = a\sin(\omega t) \hat{x} + b\cos(\omega t) \hat{y}\). The original poster expresses uncertainty about the terminology and the differentiation process involved in finding these vectors.

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  • Participants discuss the differentiation of trigonometric functions and the treatment of unit vectors as constants. There is a question about whether the derivative of the unit vectors \(\hat{x}\) and \(\hat{y}\) should be considered in the differentiation process. The original poster also questions the meaning of \(\omega\) in the context of angular velocity.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the differentiation of sine and cosine functions, as well as the nature of the unit vectors. The original poster has made progress in their calculations and is exploring the relationship between the resulting velocity and acceleration vectors.

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The discussion includes a consideration of the constants \(a\), \(b\), and \(\omega\), with participants clarifying their roles in the equations. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these constants on the vectors derived from the distance vector.

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I don't study in English, so please bare with me if my wording isn't correct.

Homework Statement



The distance vector (this may possibly be displacement vector. I'm not sure) moves in the x-y plane is: [tex]\vec{r} = a\sin(\omega t) \hat{x} + b\cos(\omega t) \hat{y}[/tex]

Find the velocity vector and the acceleration of the body.

The Attempt at a Solution



To find the velocity vector I do the derivative of the distance. But it's a very funny looking equation. How do I do a derivative on this?

Thanks!
 
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It is the sum of two terms, both terms are functions of t multiplied by the unit vectors along the x , y axes. Do you know what is the derivative of sin(wt) and cos(wt)?

ehild
 
[tex]\sin x\prime = \cos x[/tex]
*does that mean [tex]\sin (\omega t)\prime = \cos (\omega t)[/tex] or do I need to do something special for the [tex](\omega t)[/tex]
**also, is the unit x-vector it's own fuction? how do i do the derivative of that?

I would assume to use the product rule [tex](fg)\prime= f\prime g + g\prime f[/tex] for both terms; and that's assuming sinx, cosx and unit vectors x,y are considered functions

[tex]\vec{r} = a\sin(\omega t) \hat{x} + b\cos(\omega t) \hat{y}[/tex]
[tex]r\prime = (a\cos(\omega t) \hat{x} + a\sin(\omega t)) + (-b\sin(\omega t) \hat{x} + a\cos(\omega t))[/tex]

but that's assuming [tex]\hat{x}\prime = 1[/tex]
 
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so basically, my only question is am I supposed to find the derivative of [tex]\hat{x},\hat{y}[/tex] or does it belong to [tex]\cos x[/tex] like the [tex]a[/tex] does.
 
[tex] \hat{x},\hat{y}[/tex]

are constant vectors, like a and b are constant numbers. If a function is multiplied by a constant, its derivative is also multiplied with that constant.

As for the derivatives of cos(wt) and sin(wt), they are -w sin(wt) and w (cos(wt), respectively.

ehild
 
so because of your help I arrived at this:

at t=0,

[tex]\vec{v} = a \omega \hat{x}[/tex]
[tex]\vec{a} = -b \omega^2 \hat{y}[/tex]

question: How do I find the angle between these two vectors?

Is the omega referring to angular velocity or is it also a constant like a and b?

I would assume 90 degrees since 'v' only contains the x vector and 'a' only contains the y vector.
 
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omega is the constant angular velocity.

Yes, the velocity vector and the acceleration vector are perpendicular to each other at t=0.

ehild
 
Thanks ehild,

you rock my sox!

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