Design Savonius Turbine: Find Books & Equations

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The discussion revolves around the design and efficiency of Savonius turbines, a type of vertical axis wind turbine. Participants seek resources, including books and equations, for designing these turbines, while also debating their practicality and efficiency compared to other turbine designs.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests books and equations related to the design of Savonius turbines, expressing difficulty in finding adequate resources.
  • Another participant argues that the Savonius turbine is inefficient, citing a typical efficiency of about 20%, which is significantly lower than other vertical axis turbine designs.
  • Some participants suggest that Savonius turbines should be limited to applications like pumping small amounts of water or for decorative purposes, rather than for power generation.
  • Concerns are raised about the structural challenges of Savonius turbines, including issues with stability during high winds and the need for additional support structures, which may increase costs.
  • One participant mentions that Savonius rotors may not always self-start and suggests using multiple rotors to improve reliability.
  • A comparison of turbine efficiencies is shared, highlighting the power coefficient and tip speed ratio as important metrics in evaluating turbine performance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the practicality and efficiency of Savonius turbines. While some argue for their limited applications, others highlight their potential benefits in specific contexts. No consensus is reached regarding their overall utility or design recommendations.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various papers and anecdotal evidence regarding the applications of Savonius turbines, but there is no agreement on the validity of these claims or the assumptions underlying them.

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hello,

i am looking for a book that has a brief intro on vertical axis wind turbine and specially on savonius turbine. I need all the necessary equations to design one. I went through google search but din't find any that contains equations.

I don't even know whether this section is perfect for this post or not.

Will be glad to see any kind of help in this section.

Thanks
 
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The Savonius turbine is not a rational engineering solution. It is just a nice concept, many are built, only to be abandoned.

The Savonius rotor is about 20% efficient. That is half as efficient as any other vertical axis turbine design.

Savonius rotors should be discounted immediately for power generation and restricted to uses such as pumping small quantities of water or advertising.

If you must make one, cut an oil drum in half and mount the halves with a 1/3 diameter overlap.

I hope you get well soon.
 
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Baluncore said:
The Savonius turbine is not a rational engineering solution. It is just a nice concept, many are built, only to be abandoned.

The Savonius rotor is about 20% efficient. That is half as efficient as any other vertical axis turbine design.

Savonius rotors should be discounted immediately for power generation and restricted to uses such as pumping small quantities of water or advertising.

If you must make one, cut an oil drum in half and mount the halves with a 1/3 diameter overlap.

I hope you get well soon.

Why it should be restricted for pumping purpose? I have gone through some papers and they say savonius is best for pumping and darrius for power generation.
 
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jmex said:
Why it should be restricted for pumping purpose? I have gone through some papers and they say savonius is best for pumping and darrius for power generation.
Because that is the polite way of putting it. Pumping a small amount of water up a few metres to maintain a header tank can be done by a Savonius rotor when a convenient wind blows. That is all the work a Savonius rotor can really be expected to do.

The Savonius rotor is a “mind virus” that infects unwary beginners to windmill technology. Many never recover.
It is so elegant and conceptually simple that, if it worked efficiently, you would expect to see them everywhere, which you don't. Experimenters, ignoring engineering wisdom, have naturally selected the Savonius in the same way that unproductive weeds with bright flowers in a field, are grown and bred for decorative purposes in a flower garden.

Books and articles that focus on the Savonius rotor are not written by engineers. They are written by the infected victims.

A Savonius rotor cannot be automatically feathered or turned into the wind during a wind storm. It must be unloaded to spin at a very high speed so as to reduce the load on the tower. But any unbalance at storm speeds shakes the tower apart, then the entire system is lost. The rotational energy has to go somewhere so everything gets bent. They are not worth rebuilding, which is why you do not see them everywhere.

The relative inefficiency of the Savonius rotor requires a stand or tower that is twice the weight and so, for the same power extraction, costs twice as much as other turbine types. The oil drum may be cheap, but the mounting is very expensive.

A Savonius will not always self start, especially if there is an initial load and a gently increasing wind. It will rotate to the position of zero power and sit there. To start reliably, it is necessary to mount at least two Savonius rotors at 90°, one above the other on the same shaft.

Apart from pumping small amounts of water the Savonius can be used to start a more efficient turbine such as the Darrieus rotor. In that application the elegance of the Savonius is actually being used to market the more efficient Darrieus turbine.

Probably the best use for the Savonius rotor is to drive many small Tibetan Buddhist prayer wheels.
 

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