Designing an Antimatter Rocket - Questions for Help

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The discussion revolves around the design of an antimatter rocket, focusing on the generation and storage of positrons, as well as considerations regarding the rocket's aerodynamics during descent. Participants explore theoretical and practical aspects of antimatter propulsion, including challenges and potential solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the easiest methods to obtain positrons for the antimatter rocket.
  • Another participant mentions that positrons can be produced through pair production when gamma rays interact with atomic nuclei, but notes the challenges of positron annihilation in surrounding media.
  • A suggestion is made to obtain a sodium-22 source, which emits positrons with high efficiency, though concerns are raised about the practicality of using it for rocket propulsion.
  • There is a discussion about the limitations of storing positrons, with one participant stating that effective portable storage devices are unlikely to be developed.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the rocket's aerodynamics during descent, with a participant arguing that aerodynamic design may not significantly impact the rocket's performance upon crashing into water.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to calculate rocket thrust using Newton's equations and to consider how to store a substantial amount of positrons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the feasibility of positron generation and storage, with no consensus reached on the best approach or the implications of aerodynamics during descent.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the generation and storage of positrons, including the need for licenses for certain radioactive sources and the challenges posed by positron annihilation. The discussion also reflects uncertainty regarding the practical application of theoretical concepts in rocket design.

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To put it short, I'm designing an antimatter rocket that a guy at NASA want's to see. I'm working hard but had a few questions for you guys:

1. What's the easiest way to get Positrons?
2. Any ideas on either storing it for a month or having a machine keep feeding the engine positrons like a portable accelerator or cyclotron or something?
3. When crashing into the water after the engine is ejected into orbit, does it matter that much if the rocket is aerodynamic on the way down or does it only matter when the rocket launches?

Thanks for the help,

-Lazer
 
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I seem to remember reading recently that a small amount of anti-matter had been stored for 15 minutes and that was considered quite amazing.
 
Lazernugget said:
To put it short, I'm designing an antimatter rocket that a guy at NASA want's to see. I'm working hard but had a few questions for you guys:

1. What's the easiest way to get Positrons?
2. Any ideas on either storing it for a month or having a machine keep feeding the engine positrons like a portable accelerator or cyclotron or something?
3. When crashing into the water after the engine is ejected into orbit, does it matter that much if the rocket is aerodynamic on the way down or does it only matter when the rocket launches?

Thanks for the help,

-Lazer
There is no easy way to generate positrons. The can be produced by interaction of gamma rays of minimum 1.022 MeV with a nucleus of an atom in the so-called pair production. However, such positrons slow down in surrounding media and anihilate into 2 0.511 MeV photons. They can be produced by decay of certain proton-rich nuclei, or they can be produced in electron colliders.

http://www-project.slac.stanford.edu/lc/local/systems/Injector/PositronSource.htm
http://www.positronannihilation.net/index_files/Positron-Sources.pdf

http://www.slac.stanford.edu/exp/e166/

POSITRON SOURCE OPTIONS FOR LINEAR COLLIDERS
http://accelconf.web.cern.ch/AccelConf/e04/PAPERS/TUZACH01.PDF

Charged particles are generally not stored in cyclotrons, but rather storage rings, which store charge particles rather than increase the energy.

It is unlikely to develop effective portable storage devices for positrons.

Like a rocket motor will burn up in the atmoshpere. The main tank of the shuttle, as aerodynamic as it is, burns up in the atmosphere - usually over the Pacific Ocean.

A positron anihilation reaction creates 0.511 MeV gamma-rays, and likely the energy density would be fairly low. That doesn't bode well for launching from the surface of the earth, where high thrust (and low Isp) are essentially required.
 
Obtain a large sodium-22 source (as per Astronuc) . It emits a lot of positrons (about 90% efficiency). Lifetime is about 2.6 years. See decay scheme in Fig 3.11 on page 8 of

http://mightylib.mit.edu/Course%20Materials/22.01/Fall%202001/decay%20mechanisms.pdf

1 microamp of positrons requires about a 200 Curie source. You will need a license for anything above a few microCuries.

This is not suitable for rocket propulsion, unless you can figure out how to accumulate the emitted positrons.

Before you do anything else, use Newton's equations to calculate the rocket thrust. Also figure out how you might store 1 Coulomb (antiCoulomb?) of positrons.

Bob S
 
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