Desperately needed help for organic 1

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The discussion revolves around a homework problem related to organic chemistry, specifically the total synthesis of a compound. Participants are tasked with designing a step-by-step synthesis to convert cyclopentanol (A) into cyclopentane with a double bonded oxygen (B), while maintaining the same number of carbons. The focus is on identifying appropriate reagents and reaction mechanisms.

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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster (OP) expresses confusion and stress over the synthesis process, mentioning that they were advised to work backwards and that the reaction should occur under acidic conditions.
  • The OP attempted to use KMnO4 for oxidation but found it led to the addition of hydroxyl groups instead of the desired product.
  • Some participants suggest that the OP might be overthinking the problem by considering alkene reactions when the goal is to convert an alcohol to a ketone.
  • There is a suggestion that the OP's confusion may stem from terminology, particularly regarding the description of the product as having a double bonded oxygen.
  • One participant encourages the OP to step back and reassess the problem to alleviate stress.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to the synthesis. There are differing views on the appropriateness of considering alkene reactions and the potential confusion surrounding the terminology used in the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the specific reactions that can be applied, as the OP mentions restrictions based on course levels (Organic 1 vs. Organic 2). The discussion also highlights potential misunderstandings related to the product's description.

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Homework Statement


Design and describe a step-by-step total synthesis, using appropriate reagents, and drawing the reactants and the products resulting from each step-by step reaction to obtain B from A. Total # of carbons must stay the same.
A is cyclopentanol, B is cyclopentane with a double bonded Oxygen where the OH used to be



Homework Equations



I don't think there's any equations really, but I can use basic Alkene and Alkyne Rxns.

The Attempt at a Solution


I was told to work backwards to find a solution, and it was under acidic conditions. I tried to to use oxidation with (i)KMnO4(ii)H20/OH- but that just breaks a double bond and adds two hydroxyl groups. Apparently there's a way to go straight from A to B but its an Organic 2 reaction that I can't use. I went through all my notes and the textbook I really can't figure it out.

I'm really stressed out, I need as much help as possible :(
Thanks in advance
 
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Gunner1412 said:

Homework Statement


Design and describe a step-by-step total synthesis, using appropriate reagents, and drawing the reactants and the products resulting from each step-by step reaction to obtain B from A. Total # of carbons must stay the same.
A is cyclopentanol, B is cyclopentane with a double bonded Oxygen where the OH used to be



Homework Equations



I don't think there's any equations really, but I can use basic Alkene and Alkyne Rxns.

The Attempt at a Solution


I was told to work backwards to find a solution, and it was under acidic conditions. I tried to to use oxidation with (i)KMnO4(ii)H20/OH- but that just breaks a double bond and adds two hydroxyl groups. Apparently there's a way to go straight from A to B but its an Organic 2 reaction that I can't use. I went through all my notes and the textbook I really can't figure it out.

I'm really stressed out, I need as much help as possible :(
Thanks in advance

I'm not sure what Organic 1 & 2 are, but it seems strange that you're not allowed a more straightforward pathway just because it's in the wrong course. Anyway, what will happen first to your alcohol under acidic conditions?
 
Why are you bothering thinking about alkenes? You have an alcohol and you want to transform it into a ketone. Can you think of any reactions that might do that conversion?
 
chemisttree said:
Why are you bothering thinking about alkenes? You have an alcohol and you want to transform it into a ketone. Can you think of any reactions that might do that conversion?

Yeah, this was what I was alluding to when I said "...it seems strange that you're not allowed a more straightforward pathway just because it's in the wrong course..." Could it be that this reaction is in the scope of the mystery Organic 2?
 
No, I don't think so. I think the OP just got a little confused when OP saw the phrase "...cyclopentane with a double bonded oxygen..." and immediately thought of cyclopentene... which is carbon double bonded to carbon, of course. It's a minor point of confusion but confounded OP's further analysis of the problem. Sometimes it helps to step back and take another look and try not to stress out!

Easily said, I know.
 

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