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The discussion revolves around the electrochemical behavior of a system involving a platinum electrode, an electrolyte with varying pH and buffer solutions, and silicon materials under low bias conditions. Participants explore the reactions that may occur at the electrode interface and the implications of the applied voltage on current flow.

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  • One participant describes their system and expresses confusion about the electrochemical reactions that can occur at a platinum electrode when low bias (0 to 0.5 V) is applied, particularly regarding the dissolution of platinum and the possibility of water electrolysis.
  • Another participant questions whether the solution is saturated with atmospheric oxygen, suggesting that this could influence the electrochemical behavior.
  • A participant reflects on the implications of not having redox reactions occurring at low voltages, proposing that there may be an initial charging current due to double layer charging, but questions the continuity of current flow at low voltages.
  • Further discussion raises the possibility of continuous current at low voltages, despite the expectation that it should cease after a certain time due to double layer charging.
  • One participant inquires about the purity of the platinum, silicon, and silicon dioxide, suggesting that side reactions could be contributing to the observed behavior.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the electrochemical processes occurring in the system. There is no consensus on the source of the continuous current observed at low voltages or the role of atmospheric oxygen in the reactions.

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Participants mention various assumptions, such as the saturation of the solution with oxygen and the purity of materials, which could affect the discussion but are not resolved within the thread.

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I am a PhD student and I am trying to decipher what is going on in my system, which consists of a platinum electrode, an electrolyte (varying pH, buffer solution with KCl salt and TRIS buffer), thin SiO2 and Si when low bias is applied to the Pt electrode (0 to 0.5 V) with respect to the Si. I'm sure a double layer will form at the electrolyte-SiO2 interface...and since charge cannot pass between the Si and the SiO2, reactions that contribute to ion current in the electrolyte will only be occurring at the Pt electrode. But I am quite confused because as you can see, this is not a typical electrochemical cell and it becomes hard to imagine operation of such a system.

First, at the Pt electrode, an oxidation reaction involving dissolution of Pt cannot occur because the standard potential of Pt oxidation is -1.18V and therefore the reaction is non-spontaneous. And the applied bias is less than +1.18V, so this reaction cannot even be driven by applied bias. So, the only other reaction I can see happening is 2 H+(aq) + 2e− → H2(g), for which the standard potential is 0V? OR 2H2O(l) + 2e- → H2(g) + OH-(aq)...but the standard potential for this is -0.83V and the applied potential is in the opposite direction...so this reaction becomes impossible. Are there any other reactions that can occur? XXXX This is wrong...See EDIT! XXXX

So, I guess my first question is, if there are no ions in solution that can partake in a redox reaction involving the metal of the electrode and if applied bias is not sufficient to drive that reaction (dissolution of Pt in my case), then the only other possibility is electrolysis of water? Also, which electrolysis half reaction should occur...only hydrogen gas evolution (since applied bias is low and positive)?EDIT: Actually according to E-pH diagrams, water is stable (at neutral pH) between 0 and 1 V applied bias. So...there can be no electrolysis reaction at the metal electrode. So, this makes things even more confusing. At low positive voltages, even electrolysis cannot occur at the Pt electrode surface. But electrons are building up at the Pt surface...causing charging of the double layer. But these electrons cannot build up for ever...what happens when no redox reaction can happen and electrons keep building up? Am I making any sense?
 
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Is your solution saturated with atmospheric oxygen?
 
I don't think so...it is just buffer at room temp and at standard pressure. So, now I am thinking there will not be any current through the electrolyte at low voltages. There may be an initial charging current (double layer charging) when you increase the voltage from 0...but after that, no current because no redox reactions can take place. Correct?
 
If you are not sure, and if it is in contact with the air, it IS saturated with atmospheric oxygen. Oxygen removal is an important step in many electrochemical techniques, as it gets reduced at +0.4V.

I am not stating this is your problem, but it is a thing worth of checking.
 
I see...thanks for that info...that could certainly happen at 0.4 V, barring any overpotential.

So, at lower than 0.4 V, where would the current come from? Because I do see continuous current, even as low as 0.1 V (although at a lower level...current scales with the applied voltage). The current is quite low...picoamps, but its there. If it is just double layer charging, then the current should stop after about 3 time constants...but it doesn't...its continuous and steady...and I know it can't be electrons going through solution continuously...very intriguing...
 
How pure are the Pt, Si and SiO? There may be side reactions?
 

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