Detecting Quarks: How Found & Isolated?

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The discussion centers on the detection and isolation of quarks, particularly in the context of experimental findings at SLAC regarding the composition of nucleons. Participants explore the methods used to infer the existence of quarks despite their inability to be isolated in nature, touching on both theoretical and experimental aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that high-speed electrons were shot at protons, leading to the observation of three scattering centers within the protons.
  • Another participant expresses discomfort with the simplification of "three scattering centers," suggesting that there may be a large number of partons in hadrons that complicate this view.
  • A further explanation is provided regarding proton collisions, where instead of observing two scattered protons, "jets" of hadron particles are produced, indicating that protons are not elementary particles.
  • Discussion includes the use of QCD sum rules to relate the number of valence quarks to experimental measurements, specifically mentioning the Adler sum rule and the Gross & Llewellen-Smith sum rule, which suggest a measurement close to three valence quarks but not exactly as expected.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of scattering results and the implications for understanding quark composition. There is no consensus on whether the simplification of three scattering centers adequately represents the complexity of hadronic structure.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the challenges in measuring certain quantities due to higher-order QCD corrections and the complexities involved in interpreting experimental data related to quark composition.

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Hi:

I have heard that It was found at SLAC that the nucleons are made of 3 quarks, how did they found that if quarks can not be isolated?, and by the way, how do you detect those quarks if they can not be found free in nature?

Regards
 
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Shooting high speed electrons at protons led to the observation that there are three scattering centers in the protons.
 
mathman said:
Shooting high speed electrons at protons led to the observation that there are three scattering centers in the protons.
I have never felt at ease with this answer. There is an arbitrary large number of partons in a hadrons, provided one looks close enough. So I always thought "three scatering centers" is oversimplfying. But maybe you'd call this nitpicking.
 
ghery said:
Hi:

I have heard that It was found at SLAC that the nucleons are made of 3 quarks, how did they found that if quarks can not be isolated?, and by the way, how do you detect those quarks if they can not be found free in nature?

Regards

When you shoot two protons against each other, if protons were elementary particles, you would observed two scattered protons after the collisions (I'm simplifying).
Instead of that, we observe what we call two "jets" back to back + some remnants. Jet is a collimated flux of hadrons particles (protons, neutrons + other weird particles called pions, kaons,...). We interpret this inelastic collision as the proof that protons are not elementary particles and our models are predicting that the elementary particles constituing the protons would produce jets when escaping from each other.

I'm not sure if I was clear... :-)
 
humanino said:
There is an arbitrary large number of partons in a hadrons, provided one looks close enough. So I always thought "three scatering centers" is oversimplfying. But maybe you'd call this nitpicking.

What's actually done is to look at relationships called QCD sum rules, which are related to the number of valence quarks: in particular, the Adler sum rule measures [tex]N(u) - N(d)[/tex] and experimentally this is equal to 1. Add that to the quark charge assignments and you get 3 valence quarks. More directly is the Gross & Llewellen-Smith sum rule, which measures [tex]N(u) + N(d)[/tex]. Unfortunately, this is rather hard to measure and there are higher-order QCD corrections which make the measured quantity about 11-12% low. The measurement is around 2.5, so [tex]N(u) + N(d)[/tex] is measured to be close to 2.8 or so: closer to three than any other integer, but not exactly what the simple calculations lead one to expect.
 

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