Detecting Single Photon Energy

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The discussion revolves around the detection of single photons and their associated energies, particularly in the context of using filters and detectors in microscopy. Participants explore the challenges and limitations of measuring photon energies, especially in the visible spectrum, and the capabilities of various detection technologies.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that individual photons have discrete energies defined by their wavelength, yet question the necessity of filters in detecting different wavelengths.
  • One participant suggests that while high-energy photons can be detected with energy measurement, visible photons present challenges due to their low energy, making detection difficult.
  • It is mentioned that the photoelectric effect could theoretically allow for energy measurement, but practical limitations exist in solid photocathodes compared to gases.
  • A participant points out that CCD cameras integrate the charge from multiple photons, complicating the measurement of single-photon energies.
  • Another participant highlights that cooled germanium crystals can measure X-ray photon energies effectively, contrasting this with the challenges faced in measuring visible photon energies.
  • One participant raises concerns about thermal motions in detectors causing phase jitter, which affects the precision of photon detection.
  • It is noted that avalanche photodiodes (APDs) can detect single photons with a high probability, although they do not provide energy information, and that cooling APDs can reduce dark count rates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of measuring single-photon energies, particularly in the visible range. There is no consensus on the effectiveness of current detection methods or the implications of using filters.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the type of detector used, the energy levels of photons being measured, and the effects of thermal noise on detection accuracy. The discussion reflects ongoing uncertainties in the field regarding the measurement of photon energies.

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I was taught that individual photons have discrete energies (E = hv) according to their wavelength (which is a smooth parameter). Why then do we use filters before the ccd camera in a microscope to detect photons of different wavelengths?

Isn't there a detector that can tell me the energy (and therefore the wavelength) of a single photon?
 
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splinewave said:
I was taught that individual photons have discrete energies (E = hv) according to their wavelength (which is a smooth parameter). Why then do we use filters before the ccd camera in a microscope to detect photons of different wavelengths?

Isn't there a detector that can tell me the energy (and therefore the wavelength) of a single photon?

For high energy photons, yes, detectors can tell the energy of a single photon. However, for photons in the visible range, their energy is so small, that we can barely detect them. In principle, one could, if the detection process is the photo-electric effect (ok), if the photo-electron would start out from a well-defined state of known energy (not ok in solid photocathodes, but in a gas, this can be ok), and if we could measure precisely the energy of the photo-electron (is not unthinkable).
But this is not the case for a photomultiplier.
As a CCD is an integrating device which accumulates the charge of many many photons in one pixel, and then measures the total charge, you see that this is even further away from measuring single-photon energies.

As I said, for X-ray photons, that's not a problem. Cooled germanium crystals can be used to measure the energy of such photons, and that's actually used a lot in spectroscopy. But for visible photons, the energy is too low to do that in practice.
 
There's apparently more to consider. For example, a real detector will have thermal motions of its own, which will cause it to see phase jitter in an arriving pure tone, and hence a line spread. Several basic issues of this kind have been discussed some years ago at the SPIE Nature of Light: What is a Photon conference, as I recently found http://www.phys.uconn.edu/~chandra/" .
 
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They won't tell you the energy of the incident photon, but avalanche photodiodes (APDs) are capable of detecting single photons with fairly high probability. Cooling an APD to cryogenic temperatures will lower the dark count rate.
 

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