Detecting Virtual Photons & EM Force: A Particle Physics Quandary

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The discussion centers on the nature of virtual photons and their role in electromagnetic (EM) force interactions. It is established that virtual photons are not detectable entities but rather mathematical constructs used in quantum field theory, particularly during perturbative expansions. The conversation highlights that detecting a virtual photon promotes it to a real photon, thus altering its contribution to the EM force. The Casimir effect is mentioned as a related phenomenon, emphasizing the complexities involved in understanding these concepts.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of quantum field theory principles
  • Familiarity with perturbative expansions in physics
  • Knowledge of the Casimir effect
  • Basic concepts of photon behavior in quantum mechanics
NEXT STEPS
  • Read the Wikipedia article on the Casimir effect
  • Study Glauber states and their implications in quantum optics
  • Explore the concept of IR divergences in quantum field theory
  • Review the quantization of the harmonic oscillator
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Undergraduate physics students, particle physicists, and anyone interested in the theoretical foundations of electromagnetic interactions and quantum mechanics.

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Hey all, I am an undergraduate taking a particle physics class and we just learned that the EM force was caused by charges "spitting" virtual photons back a forth. In like second grade we learned that the EM force was dependent on the two charges involved (keeping this simple) and the distance between them. Now, if you somehow created a device that could detect, let's say, half of the virtual photons between two given charges, wouldn't the EM force between the two of these charges decrease without changing the charges or the distance between them? (I was told that once you detect a virtual photon, you promote it to a real photon and it no longer plays a role in the EM force between charges.) I think I know just enough about this to be dangerous. Thanks for your time!
 
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Virtual photons are not detected, they are mathematical concepts/entities when you do perturbative expansion in quantum field theory.
 
Perhaps best to say that virtual photons are the ones that you don't detect. The distinction is more of a practical one since photons themselves are "mathematical concepts/entities when you do perturbative expansions in quantum field theory". Forgetting this leads to problems like IR divergences and the inability to understand classical light (for which coherent states are necessary -- what is a photon if absorbing it does nothing?)

The idea you are after is related to the Casimir effect, and I invite you to read, say, the wikipedia article on the subject, and ask for clarification if you want. If you're feeling brave you can read up about Glauber states as well. But only if you can quantize the harmonic oscillator in your sleep.

Cheers

So yes, your thinking is dangerous, but as long as you realize that you'll be fine =)
 

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