Determinant g = g_{00} det |g_{ij}|

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The discussion centers on the relationship between the determinant of the metric tensor in general relativity, specifically the expression det| g_{\mu \nu} | = g_{00} det | g_{ij} |. Participants explore its validity, implications, and specific cases, including the conditions under which it holds true.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of the expression det| g_{\mu \nu} | = g_{00} det | g_{ij} |, particularly regarding the terms involving g_{01}, g_{02}, and g_{03} in the co-factor expansion.
  • Another participant provides a counterexample with a specific symmetric matrix, suggesting that the determinant does not conform to the proposed relationship, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the original statement.
  • A later reply references a specific equation from the ADM paper, suggesting that the participant may have misread the context of the determinant relationship.
  • One participant clarifies that the expression holds under the assumption of a specific form of the metric tensor, which is relevant to the three plus one dimensional decomposition of the Einstein field equations.
  • Another participant acknowledges a misreading of the ADM paper and cites a different relationship involving the determinants of the metric tensor and its spatial components, linking it to Cramer's rule.

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Participants express differing interpretations of the determinant relationship, with some supporting its validity under specific conditions while others challenge its general applicability. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views present.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of specific assumptions regarding the form of the metric tensor and the conditions under which the determinant relationship is claimed to hold. There are references to potential misinterpretations of the original sources, which may affect the understanding of the mathematical expressions involved.

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If we let latin alphabets {i,j,k,...} denote the spatial indices, and the greek ones run from 0 to 3, then I've seen the following

[tex]det| g_{\mu \nu} | = g_{00} det | g_{ij} |[/tex]

both in Landau's "Classical theory of fields", as well as ADM's paper on the initial value formulation of GR ("Dynamics of General Relativity", Arnowitt et al.) I don't quite understand it though, or am I reading it right?

Specifically, what about the terms that involve [itex]g_{01}, g_{02}, g_{03}[/itex] when we do the co-factor expansion? Do they somehow vanish by symmetry?

In (2+1) dimensions I got the determinant to be

[tex]det| g_{\mu \nu} | = g_{00} det | g_{ij} | - g_{10}(g_{01} g_{22} - g_{02} g_{21}) + g_{20} (g_{01} g_{12} - g_{11} g_{02})[/tex]

How could the last four terms cancel out?
 
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[itex]g_{\mu\nu}[/itex] can be any symmetric matrix.

If we try for an example

[tex] \left[ \begin {array}{cccc} m&1&2&3\\\noalign{\medskip}1&4&5&6\\\noalign{\medskip}2&5&7&8\\\noalign{\medskip}3&6&8&9\end {array}<br /> \right] [/tex]

we find the determinant is -m-2, which is not a multiple of m.

So I don't think your statement can be correct as written. Start reading the fine print :-).

(Is the ADM paper online anywhere?)
 
It is equation 3.12 of "The Dynamics of General Relativity", Arnowitt, Deser and Misner:

http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0405109

Perhaps someone could explain to me if I am mis-reading it.
 
That is correct assuming that the metric tensor is of the form
[tex]\left[ \begin {array}{cccc} g_{00}&0&0&0\\\noalign{\medskip}0&g_{11}&g_{12}&g_{13}\\\noalign{\medskip}0&g_{21}&g_{22}&g{23}\\\noalign{\medskip}0&g_{31}&g_{32}&g_{33}\end {array} \right][/tex], the "three plus one dimensional decomposition of the Einstein field" referred to in the text.
 
wandering.the.cosmos said:
If we let latin alphabets {i,j,k,...} denote the spatial indices, and the greek ones run from 0 to 3, then I've seen the following

[tex]det| g_{\mu \nu} | = g_{00} det | g_{ij} |[/tex]

both in Landau's "Classical theory of fields",

When a metric is static, coordinates can be chosen such that the components of the metric take the form given by HallsofIvy.

as well as ADM's paper on the initial value formulation of GR ("Dynamics of General Relativity", Arnowitt et al.)

I don't think equations (3.10) and (3.12) of the ADM paper give this.
 
I have indeed mis-read the ADM paper. What it says is

[tex]g^{00} = \frac{\textrm{det} |g_{ij}|}{\textrm{det} |g_{\mu \nu}|}[/tex]

where [itex]\textrm{det} |g_{ij}|[/itex] is the determinant of the space-space part of the metric and [itex]\textrm{det} |g_{\mu \nu}|[/itex] is the determinant of the whole metric tensor.

This follows from Cramer's rule.
 

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