Determine body properties by visual spectrum?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the methods of determining the properties of stars, specifically Sirius A and Sirius B, through their visual spectra. Participants explore the application of Wien's law, the challenges of temperature estimation, and potential alternative approaches for analysis.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses interest in using the visual spectra of Sirius A and B to determine their properties, questioning the accuracy of temperatures derived from Wien's law.
  • Another participant asks for the temperatures calculated using Wien's law and how they compare to the actual temperatures of the stars.
  • A suggestion is made to fit the visual spectrum to a black-body curve to obtain a more accurate temperature estimate.
  • One participant calculates a temperature of ~6,000K for Sirius A using Wien's law, noting a discrepancy with the actual temperature of ~10,000K.
  • There is a query about the possibility of extrapolating the visual spectrum to compare it with the black-body curve for temperature determination.
  • A participant seeks clarification on whether there are any methods, including calculus or algebra, to determine the temperature of a star from its visual spectrum, especially for stars with spectra in the UV range.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the methods for accurately determining star temperatures from visual spectra, and multiple approaches are discussed without resolution.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in understanding the application of Wien's law and the assumptions involved in using visual spectra for temperature estimation. There is also an acknowledgment of the participants' varying levels of familiarity with astronomical spectroscopy.

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Hello,
I'v been taking an interest to astronomical spectroscopy lately and I have some questions about that.

In order to get myself going I wanted to get as much information about Sirius A and Sirius B using the distance, obtained by using parallax(I didn't do that but imagine I did) , and their visual spectra(nor did I obtain the spectra by myself, but again imagine that I did).

If I used the information in the visual spectra to put in Wien's law, then the temperatures of the stars would be incorrect. Are there methods to get accurate information by using only the visual spectra, or does it only work for stars that have their lambda max in the visual spectra?

Could I do something with the info in the visual spectra, i.e. an integral, and compare it to 'B-V color index', bolometric/apparent/absolute magnitude or something else?

Thanks in advance, and I'm sorry if I´v understood astronomical spectrography completely wrong.
 
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Hrmm, I wish I could help you. Maybe someone else can? I'd like to know also.
 
What are the temperatures you come up with if you use Wien's laws? How is the real star different?
 
A slightly more sophisticated thing to do would be to fit the spectrum to the black-body curve and get a best-fit value for temperature.
 
Drakkith said:
What are the temperatures you come up with if you use Wien's laws? How is the real star different?
If I use Wien's law of displacement(λmax=b/T) I get the temperature to be ~6,000K. That is because the λmax of the visual spectrum is ~4,800Å.
However, the actual temperature of Sirius A is ~10,000K and so according to λmax=b/T the λmax should be ~2,800Å

Nabeshin said:
A slightly more sophisticated thing to do would be to fit the spectrum to the black-body curve and get a best-fit value for temperature.
I read something like that on a site that I found whilst I goggled "determine temperature from visual spectrum" http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/astro/magnitud.htm"

Do I perform some sort of extrapolating operation on the curve of the visual spectrum, compared to the black body curve?

Again I must stress that I´m quite new to astronomy so there might be something fundamental that I have yet to understand.

But all in all, Is there a way* to determine the temperature of a star from it's visual spectrum(even if the star is of a blue-white color, so it's spectrum is in the UV area) ??

*That means any way what so ever; Calculus, algebra, comparing to whatnot and etc etc.
 
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