Determine if integral is convergent or divergent?

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The discussion revolves around determining the convergence or divergence of an improper integral. Participants are exploring the application of the limit comparison test, which is typically used for series, to integrals.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Some participants question the validity of applying the limit comparison test from series to integrals, suggesting that there may be assumptions that need to be checked. Others propose finding a known convergent or divergent integral for comparison instead.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the applicability of the limit comparison test to integrals, with some expressing uncertainty about the method. There are suggestions to explore alternative techniques and to verify assumptions through counterexamples.

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There is mention of specific functions and intervals, as well as the need to consider the behavior of the integral at infinity. Some participants reference known convergent integrals to guide their reasoning.

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I was wondering if I could use the limit comparison test for this integral. My professor taught us this test that can be used for series but could it work for improper integrals as well?

So what I would do is an = 1/(2ex-x) and bn = 1/2ex.

Then take the limit approaching infinity of an/bn which yields 1. Since bn converges so does an. Does that make sense?
 

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I don't quite understand how you're applying the limit comparison test from series to integrals. However, my instinct is that you are making a jump that can't be made. You might check this yourself by seeing if you can find a counterexample to your method.

However, there does exist a technique that is similar to the limit comparison test. The idea is to find an integral that you know converges/diverges on the interval and use that. So if we had 1/x^2 + 1, we know that on [0,infinity) this integral is < the integral of 1/x^2 on [0,infinity) and therefore converges since the integral of 1/x^2 converges (why? this one is easily computed manually). Can you find such a function here?
 
theBEAST said:

Homework Statement


I attached the problem to this post.

The Attempt at a Solution


I was wondering if I could use the limit comparison test for this integral. My professor taught us this test that can be used for series but could it work for improper integrals as well?

So what I would do is an = 1/(2ex-x) and bn = 1/2ex.

Then take the limit approaching infinity of an/bn which yields 1. Since bn converges so does an. Does that make sense?
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This is the equivalent comparison test for integrals.

If \displaystyle |g(x)|\ge|f(x)|\text{ for all }x \ge a\,, and if \displaystyle \int_a^\infty\ |g(x)|\ dx converges, then so does \displaystyle \int_a^\infty\ |f(x)|\ dx converge.
 
zooxanthellae said:
I don't quite understand how you're applying the limit comparison test from series to integrals. However, my instinct is that you are making a jump that can't be made. You might check this yourself by seeing if you can find a counterexample to your method.

However, there does exist a technique that is similar to the limit comparison test. The idea is to find an integral that you know converges/diverges on the interval and use that. So if we had 1/x^2 + 1, we know that on [0,infinity) this integral is < the integral of 1/x^2 on [0,infinity) and therefore converges since the integral of 1/x^2 converges (why? this one is easily computed manually). Can you find such a function here?

Yup I can use 1/e^x but why wouldn't the limit comparison test work for integrals as well?
 
theBEAST said:
Yup I can use 1/e^x but why wouldn't the limit comparison test work for integrals as well?

I initially interpreted your post as using the a_n, a_n+1 limit test. What you've actually described is very close to what SammyS has posted, which is what the Integral Limit Comparison Test usually describes. I'm reasonably sure that your method works, but the method SammyS has posted is, I think, usually easier.
 

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