Determine if the non-linear set of equations has unique solution

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The discussion revolves around determining whether a specific non-linear set of equations has a unique solution in the neighborhood of the origin. The equations in question are \(xyz + \sin(xyz) = 0\) and \(x + y + z = 0\), and the implicit function theorem is suggested as a potential tool for analysis.

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  • Participants explore the use of the implicit function theorem and the implications of the Jacobian matrix at the origin. Questions arise regarding the existence of a function that satisfies the equations and whether a counterexample might be constructed to illustrate the lack of uniqueness.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants questioning the validity of their approaches and seeking verification of their reasoning. Some suggest that the existence of a unique solution may not hold, while others are attempting to clarify the implications of their findings.

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There is a focus on the conditions under which the implicit function theorem can be applied, and participants are encouraged to explain their reasoning without relying on formal theorems. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the uniqueness of solutions in the specified neighborhood.

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Homework Statement


Determine if the following set of equations has unique solution of the form ##g(z)=(x,y)## in the n-hood of the origin. $$\begin{cases} xyz+\sin(xyz)=0 \\ x+y+z=0 \end{cases}$$

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I assume I am supposed to use the implicit function theorem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicit_function_theorem

The Attempt at a Solution


Let's consider function ##F:ℝ^3\rightarrow ℝ^2, F(x,y,z)=(xyz+\sin(xyz),x+y+z).## Now ##F(0,0,0)=(0,0)## and ##F\in{C^{1}}## but the Jacobian of ##F## at the origin is: ##
J_f(0)=[Df(0)]=\begin{bmatrix}
0 & 0 & 0 \\
1 & 1 &1
\end{bmatrix},## which implies that ##[Df(0)]## is not surjective, thus the implicit function theorem doesn't apply directly. I think the next step is to define another function such that we can apply the implicit function theorem to that and maybe find a solution which uniqueness is guaranteed by the theorem. Am I on the right track?

 
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lep11 said:
Am I on the right track?
No, I don't think so. Read the question carefully:
lep11 said:
Determine if
 
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Krylov said:
No, I don't think so. Read the question carefully:
O.k. How would one proceed in this case? Should I construct a counterexample?
 
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lep11 said:
O.k. How would one proceed in this case? Should I construct a counterexample?
If the answer to the question in the problem were positive, there would exist ##\epsilon > 0## and a function ##g : (-\epsilon,+\epsilon) \times (-\epsilon,+\epsilon) \to \mathbb{R}## such that for all ##x,y \in (-\epsilon,+\epsilon)## the triple ##(x,y,z) = (x,y, g(x,y))## satisfies the system of equations.

Please make sure you understand why this is.

It follows from the system of equations that such a function cannot exist, no matter how small you choose ##\epsilon > 0## to be. It is up to you to explain why this is. (You do not need any theorems for this.)
 
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I think I got the right intuition, but I am not sure if this counterexample is rigorious enough.

If we consider the function ##F##, we notice that ##F(\epsilon,-\epsilon,0)=(0,0)## ##∀\epsilon>0##.
Because we can choose ##\epsilon## to be arbitrarily small, ##\nexists{R>0}## such that n-hood of the origin ##B(0,R)## would contain a unique solution ##(x,y,z)## such that ##F(x,y,z)=0##. Thus the set of equations doesn't have a unique solution in any n-hood of the origin.
 
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Could someone please verify if I got it right?
 

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