Determine the Acceleration of point A

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The problem involves determining the initial acceleration of point A on a uniform bar supported by a roller, with friction acting at end B against a vertical surface. The scenario includes multiple forces and accelerations, and participants are exploring the relationships between these variables.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss summing forces in both x and y directions and express uncertainty about the number of unknowns versus equations. There is consideration of taking moments about point B and the implications of additional unknowns introduced by angular acceleration. Questions arise regarding the relationships between the accelerations of points A and B.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and clarifications regarding the relationships between the variables involved. Some guidance has been offered about the dependency of certain unknowns on others, but there remains a lack of consensus on how to proceed with the problem-solving process.

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Participants note the complexity of the problem due to multiple unknowns and the need for additional equations to resolve them. There is mention of the constant length of the bar, which introduces a geometric relationship between the accelerations of points A and B.

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The uniform 22-kg bar is supported on the horizontal surface at A by a small roller of negligible mass. If the coefficient of kinetic friction between end B and the vertical surface is 0.19, calculate the initial acceleration of end A as the bar is released from rest in the position shown. The acceleration is positive if to the left, negative if to the right.

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I summed the forces in the x and y directions

ƩFx = max = -NB

ƩFy = may = NA - mg - F

F = ukN

ƩFy = may= NA - mg + ukNB

So, I have 4 unknowns: ax, NB, NA and ay

and two equations. How do I find the other two equations needed to solve this problem?

I considered taking the moment about B, but this then adds in two more unknowns: α and aG. I suspect that I may need to use relative accelerations equations, but is there another way?
 

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Hi Northbysouth! :smile:
Northbysouth said:
So, I have 4 unknowns: ax, NB, NA and ay

No, you have 3 independent unknowns. :wink:

(and an equation relating ax and ay)
I considered taking the moment about B, but this then adds in two more unknowns: α and aG.

No, they also depend on ax :wink:
 
I'm not sure I follow you when you say that I have an equation relating ax and ay. Are you talking about

a = (a2x + a2y)1/2

The questions asks me to find the acceleration of point a which I know is only in the x direction, and point B has an acceleration which only acts in the y direction.

Could you expand a little on what you said, please?

Thank you
 
Northbysouth said:
Are you talking about

a = (a2x + a2y)1/2

No, I'm saying a = (x2 + y2)1/2. :wink:

(and so y = √(a2 - x2))
 
I'm sorry but I'm still not following you. :confused:

When you use x and y, are you referring to the horizontal and vertical distances respectively?
 
I think tiny-tim is using x for the horizontal position of the roller, y for the vertical position of end B, and a (confusingly) for the length of the bar. The point is that the bar is of constant length, which gives you an equation relating ax to ay.
You will need to take moments too, since the moment of inertia of the bar plays a role. As with ax and ay, there is a direct relationship between these and angular acceleration.
 

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