Determine the distance of this point from the center of the Earth.

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves determining the distance from the center of the Earth to a point in space where the gravitational pull of the Moon exceeds that of the Earth. It is situated within the context of gravitational forces and involves calculations related to the distances and masses of celestial bodies.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss setting gravitational force equations equal to each other to find the distance. There are attempts to clarify the definitions of variables, particularly the meaning of height in relation to the Earth's center versus its surface. Questions arise about the physical validity of the quadratic solutions obtained.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing their calculations and seeking clarification on the implications of their results. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the quadratic solutions, and there is an ongoing exploration of the physical relevance of both roots derived from the equations.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on ensuring that the variables used in the equations accurately represent the physical scenario, particularly the distinction between height above the Earth's surface and distance from its center. Participants are also considering the implications of their findings in the context of a journey to the Moon.

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Homework Statement


On the way to the moon the apollo astronauts reached a point where the Moon's gravitational pull became stronger than the Earth's.
A) Determine the distance of this point from the center of the Earth.
B)What is the acceleration due to the Earth's gravitation at this point?

Homework Equations


[tex]F_G = \frac{Gm_1m_2}{r^2}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to solve this but am not sure if I am doing it right:
d= distance from Earth to moon
h= height above the earth
[tex]g_{earth} = \frac{GM_E}{h^2}[/tex]
[tex]g_{moon} = \frac{GM_M}{(d-h)^2}[/tex]

set the equations equal to each other and solve for h

[tex]d^2 - 2dh + h^2 = \frac{M_m}{M_E}h^2[/tex]

is this right so far?
 
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Your good so far with the exception that h is the distance from the centre of the earth, not the height above the Earth's surface.
 
I think i have it. I am solving it as a quadratic, so how do I know which of the two answers it is?
 
Sheneron said:
I think i have it. I am solving it as a quadratic, so how do I know which of the two answers it is?
Are both solutions physically possible?
 
indeed, very. Would you like me to post what I got?
 
Sheneron said:
indeed, very. Would you like me to post what I got?
If you post what you've got I'll have a good look at it.
 
M_e = 5.98 x 10^24
M_m = 7.36 x 10^22
d= 3.84 x 10^8

[tex]0.98769h^2 - 7.68 x 10^8h - 1.475 x 10^{17} = 0[/tex]

I put that all in the quadratic formula.. I can't seem to get it to work on here but this is what I got:

7.68 x 10^8 +/- 8.42 x 10 ^7 all over 2(0.98769)
 
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hootenanny? anybody?
 
Try calculating the actual distances for both roots. Would you encounter both of them on a trip between the Earth and the moon?
 
  • #10
They are both between the Earth and the moon.
 
  • #11
Check again. Based on your equations so far, I get:


[tex]h_1 = 3.46 \cdot 10^8 \ \mathrm{m}[/tex]
[tex]d = 3.84 \cdot 10^8 \ \mathrm{m}[/tex]
[tex]h_2 = 4.31 \cdot 10^8 \ \mathrm{m}[/tex]
 
  • #12
Oooo. Thanks for the help. I got it now.
 

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