Shoot the moon - differential equation for motion in earth - moon syst

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a problem involving the computation of an initial velocity vector for a bullet shot from Earth to the Moon, considering the Moon's orbit and position over time. The context includes the application of differential equations to model the bullet's trajectory under gravitational influences from both the Earth and the Moon.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need for numerical solutions to the differential equations governing the bullet's motion. There are questions about the appropriateness of the equations presented and the initial conditions required for the problem.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the equations and their context, while others seek clarification on the specific equations to use and the necessary details for a complete understanding. There is an ongoing exploration of the problem without a clear consensus on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of the coordinate system and the initial conditions, including the position of the bullet at launch and the Moon's position at the end time. There is also mention of the synodic frame and its implications for the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


We have given coordinates on the Earth from where we are shooting to the Moon (bullet has really small mass). The Moon orbit and therefore Moon position in time t is known. The task is to compute the initial velocity vector (the angle and velocity of the bullet), so the bullet will reach the Moon.

Homework Equations


Maybe we can use this equations?

\frac{d^2x}{dt^2} = 2\Omega \frac{dy}{dt} +\Omega^2x-\frac{GM_e(x-x_e)}{r^3_e}-\frac{GM_m(x-x_m)}{r^3_m}

\frac{d^2y}{dt^2} = -2\Omega \frac{dx}{dt} +\Omega^2y-\frac{GM_e(y_e)}{r^3_e}-\frac{GM_m(y_m)}{r^3_m}

Ω is angular system velocity
G is gravitational constant
M_e, M_m is mass of the Earth, Moon
r_e, r_m is distance between Earth, Moon and the bullet
x_e, x_m coordinates of the Earth, Moon centre of mass

The Attempt at a Solution


I know that I need to solve it numerically with shooting method, but the problem is, how the differential equation describing bullet trajectory looks like. I found the ones above, but I am not physicist (the main problem is to find the numeric solution of that equation), I do not know, if I can use them or not.

If anyone can give me some reference to the literature about this problem or something (the equations can be simple - no need to include all the influences, just the main ones as gravity field and rotation), I would be very happy. Thank you
 
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You mean you're not a physicist. A physician is another name for a medical doctor. The equations are fine. The origin is placed at the center of mass of the earth-moon system.There are probably easier ways to solve that problem. Hard to tell since you didn't really give enough details about the problem
 
Thanks for language note. Unfortunately I do not have more details, it is up to me to find out the differential equations to solve. But if you can tell me what details are missing, I can probably add them. Maybe I can add that as the initial conditions for given system I am using coordinates of the place on Earth (at time = 0) and coordinates of the Moon (at time = end time).
 
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The equations you found are for the synodic frame in the circular restricted three body problem. The Earth and Moon don't move in that frame. Having a stationary target should make your shooting algorithm a bit easier.
 
Thanks for an advice. But still, I do not know what equation should I use then. Can you be a little bit more specific?
 

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