Determine the weight of a titanium sphere

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The discussion revolves around determining the weight of a titanium sphere with a specified circumference and exploring its potential impact on a concrete wall when expelled at high speed. The scope includes mathematical reasoning for weight calculation and speculative scenarios regarding material penetration in a fictional context.

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  • One participant seeks assistance in calculating the weight of a titanium sphere based on its circumference, density, and atomic mass.
  • Another participant outlines the formula for circumference and volume of a sphere, suggesting a method to calculate mass and convert it to pounds.
  • A participant claims to have calculated the weight to be approximately 46.070 pounds, rounding to the nearest thousandths place.
  • The same participant poses a hypothetical scenario regarding the sphere's impact on a concrete wall, questioning whether it would penetrate, bounce off, or disintegrate.
  • Another participant argues that the question of penetration cannot be answered with simple calculations and references experiments showing penetration of concrete by projectiles, noting that larger projectiles perform better.
  • This participant also discusses the comparative effectiveness of different materials, suggesting that steel or denser materials would be more effective than titanium for penetration.
  • A later reply offers a personal opinion that at Mach 3, the sphere would likely punch a hole through 12 inches of concrete, but acknowledges this as a guess.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the penetration capabilities of the titanium sphere, with some suggesting it may penetrate while others highlight the limitations of its shape and material compared to alternatives. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the actual outcome of the hypothetical scenario.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference experimental data and theoretical reasoning, but limitations exist regarding the assumptions made about material properties and projectile dynamics. The discussion does not resolve the complexities involved in the impact scenario.

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I need help determining the weight, in pounds, of a volleyball-sized sphere comprised of pure titanium.
I can provide the following facts necessary for the equation:

Assume the circumference of the sphere is 65 centimeters.
Assume the sphere is solid, not hollow.
Titanium has an atomic mass of 47.876 and a density of 4.506 grams.

Any help on this would be appreciated.

NOTE: This is not for homework. If you must know, it is necessary to determine if someone is capable of creating the sphere in question in a fantasy setting role-playing game.
 
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Circumference of a sphere is given by:

[tex]d_c=2\pi R[/tex]

find R and substitute to the equation for the volume of a sphere

[tex]V=\frac{4}{3}\pi R^3[/tex]

and multiply by the density to get mass.

Lastly, covert from pounds to kilograms. 1pound =~0.45 kilograms.
 
Using those formulas, my answer came out to be 46.070 pounds, rounded to the nearest thousandths place assuming I found the correct answer.

For the sake of pretense, let's say a supervillain can expel this 46-lb. titanium sphere at Mach 3, or 1 kilometer per second. He directs this expulsion at a concrete wall from a distance of 300 feet, standing directly perpendicular to the wall. Upon impact, does the sphere penetrate the wall, bounce off, or disintegrate?

Let's assume the concrete wall is 12 inches thick with a hollow area behind it. (It's a bunker, if that matters.)
 
Now that's a question that can't be answered with simple calculations.

Experiments in materials science, like these:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0734743X02001082
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0734743X98000086
(paywalled, but you can read the graphs if you strain your eyes a little)

using 20 and 30 mm diametre steel rods, show penetration of concrete slabs up to 2 metre thick, at speeds close to 1km/s.
Larger projectiles show better penetration.

The projectiles are shown post-test without any noticeable deformation.

The shape of a sphere is less suited for penetration, as it's got a higher cross-section(impact area) to weight ratio than a long cone-tipped rod. Additionally, steel is better suited for the purposes, due to its higher density.
(Titanium is always talked about as being superior to steel in popular media, but that's just considering the aplications that require weight-saving while retaining similar mechanical properties, like with submarines. Your super villain would be more destructive if he could make steel spheres. Or better yet, tungsten of uranium - the denser the better.)

The two articles linked were one of the first that popped up when I googled concrete penetration with projectiles, so it's conceivable that you should be able to find something more definitive with more effort.

You might get somebody in the engineering/materials science section to help you find what you need.Also, consider that an 80kg man shooting a 20kg projectile at 1km/s will be thrown back at 250 m/s due to the conservation of momentum(aka recoil). This might be a very short-lived career of villainy for this guy.
 
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This is a total guess, but at Mach 3 I'd expect it to punch a hole straight through 12 inches of concrete.
 

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