Determing the equation of a streamline

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The discussion revolves around determining the equation of a streamline for a fluid with given velocity components, specifically focusing on the mathematical approach to solving the problem using differential equations. Participants explore methods for separating variables, integrating, and applying initial conditions to find the streamline equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Participants discuss the separation of variables in the context of the equation dy/dx = v/u, leading to the equations (30/(2x+1))dy = (2ty)dx.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about whether the equations can be integrated directly or if additional algebraic manipulation is necessary.
  • There is a suggestion to compare answers after solving the ordinary differential equation (ODE) with initial conditions.
  • One participant notes the importance of including constants of integration and combining them appropriately, while another questions the omission of the constant "30" in their calculations.
  • Participants explore the implications of boundary conditions on determining constants and rearranging the equations to isolate y.
  • There is a discussion about ensuring the correct values for variables when plugging in initial conditions, particularly the value of t.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach of separating variables and integrating, but there are multiple viewpoints on the specifics of handling constants and initial conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact steps to finalize the equation of the streamline.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the integration process and the treatment of constants. There is also mention of potential errors in applying initial conditions, indicating that the calculations may depend on careful attention to detail.

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Homework Statement


A fluid has velocity components of u=[30/(2x+1)]m/s and v=(2ty)m/s,where x and y are in meters and t is in seconds. Determine the equation of the streamline that passes through point (2 m, 6 m) at time t = 2 s. Write the equation in the form y={y(x)}m, where x is in meters.

Homework Equations


dy/dx = v/u

The Attempt at a Solution


So when I separate my variables, I get udy=vdx. That means my equations are (30/(2x+1))dy = (2ty)dx. Is it really just a matter of integrating such "simple" equations? Or do I need to do some other method/algebra to get the (2x+1) on the dx side and the (2ty) on the dy side? Then all I have to do is integrate and find my constants, correct?
 
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Bluestribute said:

Homework Equations


dy/dx = v/u

The Attempt at a Solution


So when I separate my variables, I get udy=vdx. That means my equations are (30/(2x+1))dy = (2ty)dx. Is it really just a matter of integrating such "simple" equations? Or do I need to do some other method/algebra to get the (2x+1) on the dx side and the (2ty) on the dy side? Then all I have to do is integrate and find my constants, correct?
Separation of variables would be dy/v = dx/u. I don't see why you can't do as you wrote: separate variables, solve the ODE including the "initial conditions". If you want we can compare answers if you post yours first.
 
So:

dy/v = dy/2ty
dx/u = (1/30)(2x+1)dx

I get x2 + x + C1 and ln(y)/2t + C2

How do I solve for those constants to get y=f(x) form using the given boundaries?
 
Bluestribute said:
So:

dy/v = dy/2ty
dx/u = (1/30)(2x+1)dx

I get x2 + x + C1 and ln(y)/2t + C2


What happened to "30"? Then, put an equal sign somewhere & I'm a buyer.
Since it's a 1st order ODE you know there is only one boundary condition and one constant to be determined by the boundary condition. You can obviously combine your C1 and C2 into one constant. Have another shot at it, you're getting warmer.
 
I divided the thirty into the dx equation.

So it's legal to set these equal to each other, put in the conditions, solve for the constant (which, now I understand why no one was putting in both C1 and C2), then rearrange to have y on one side and x on the other?
 
Bluestribute said:
I divided the thirty into the dx equation.
But it's missing in "I get x2 + x + C1 and ln(y)/2t + C2 ". Put it back in!
So it's legal to set these equal to each other, put in the conditions, solve for the constant (which, now I understand why no one was putting in both C1 and C2), then rearrange to have y on one side and x on the other?
Your equation is dy/v = dx/u. This has all y on the left and all x on the right. Integrate both sides, then solve for y explicitly. Try to show your work or I can't tell if & where you slipped.
 
Right right.

(1/30) x2 + x + C = ln(y)/2t

I plug in my initial x,y,t points:

0.2 + C/30 = 0.44794

Solving for C yields C = 7.4382

So now (and I'm going to just drop my thirty in the denominator):

(x2 + x + 7.4382)/30 = ln(y)/2t
(2tx2 + 2tx + 14.8764t)/30 = ln(y)
e(2tx2/30 + 2tx/30 + 14.8764t/30) = y
 
Bluestribute said:
Right right.

(1/30) x2 + x + C = ln(y)/2t

I plug in my initial x,y,t points:

0.2 + C/30 = 0.44794

Solving for C yields C = 7.4382

So now (and I'm going to just drop my thirty in the denominator):

(x2 + x + 7.4382)/30 = ln(y)/2t
(2tx2 + 2tx + 14.8764t)/30 = ln(y)
e(2tx2/30 + 2tx/30 + 14.8764t/30) = y
When you solved for the constant of integration, did you let t=2?
Do that and you got it! My numbers agree if you let t=2 and compute the numerical value of e(14.8764t/30).
 
I think I did, though I might have accidentally did 0 instead . . .
 
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Bluestribute said:
I think I did, though I might have accidentally did 0 instead . . .
Your last entry was e(2tx2/30 + 2tx/30 + 14.8764t/30) = y. Needed to get rid of "t".
 

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