Determining a smooth motion when given a function

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The discussion revolves around determining the smoothness of a piecewise function defined for motion, specifically at the points t = 1 and t = 2, and whether it is smooth for values in the interval 1 < t < 2. The function is presented in segments, and participants are tasked with analyzing its derivatives and continuity based on a given formula.

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  • Participants explore the definition of smoothness and its relation to the existence of derivatives. There is a focus on the behavior of the function at critical points and the implications of conflicting derivative values. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the provided formula and its application to the problem.

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Some participants express skepticism about the function being smooth at the specified points, citing issues with the derivatives. Others seek clarification on the definition of smoothness and its implications for the problem. The discussion reflects a variety of interpretations and considerations regarding the function's behavior.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the relationship between continuity and smoothness as described in the textbook. There is also mention of differing approaches to understanding the limits and derivatives at the critical points of the function.

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Show from Eq. 1.1 that the below function is smooth at t = 1 and at t = 2. Is it smooth at any 1 < t < 2?

x(t) =

1.0 + 2.0 t 0 ≤ t ≤ 1
3 + 4(t − 1) 1 ≤ t ≤ 2
7 + 3(t − 2) 2 ≤ t




for equation 1.1 my book gives me:

lim
dt→0 [x(t + dt) − x(t) ]/dt= 0




This problem asks me to show that the motion is smooth, but to me it seems that it would not be smooth at points 1 and 2. the way i understand it, for a motion to be smooth all of the derivatives of x(t) must exist, but if i take the derivatives:

2 0 ≤ t ≤ 1
4 1 ≤ t ≤ 2
3 2 ≤ t

the derivatives at points 1 and 2 conflict, so i don't understand how this meets the requirements of a smooth function. i must be missing something obvious.

Also i was confused by the formula 1.1 in the book, it tell me to use this formula to show the motion is smooth, but then next to the formula in the book it states the formula as being one used to show a function is continuous.

Thank you in advance to anyone who responds.
 
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Curious question; probably should be over on one of the math forums.
What exactly is the definition of smooth? I graphed the function from 0 to 3 and it is continuous, but the first derivative does not exist at 1 and at 2 because the value of eqn 1.1 is different when you approach from the left or the right. We say the whole limit does not exist if the left limit is not equal to the right limit.
 
Delphi51 said:
Curious question; probably should be over on one of the math forums.
What exactly is the definition of smooth? I graphed the function from 0 to 3 and it is continuous, but the first derivative does not exist at 1 and at 2 because the value of eqn 1.1 is different when you approach from the left or the right. We say the whole limit does not exist if the left limit is not equal to the right limit.

thanks for the reply, the definition of a smooth motion, as given in my book, is : for a motion to be smooth all of the derivatives of x(t) must exist, but if i take the derivatives.

my intuition was that this function is not smooth, because points one and two have trouble with derivatives, any ideas? Again, my book asks me to show the motion as smooth, but i don't understand how it could be by the definition.
 
Definitely not smooth at 1 and 2. You can see that on the graph - the slope changes suddenly at those points, so no value can be assigned to the slope or first derivative at t = 1 or t = 2. Looks like the question got mixed up.
 

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