Determining a zero force member visually

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on identifying zero force members in truss structures through visual inspection. Participants explore the conditions under which members can be classified as zero force members based on the arrangement of joints and applied loads.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference rules from a source that state two specific conditions for identifying zero force members at unloaded joints.
  • One participant questions the applicability of these rules when four members meet at a joint, suggesting that zero force members may still exist despite the rules indicating otherwise.
  • Another participant clarifies that while the rules may not apply directly to joints with four members, other joints connected to those members may provide insight into their status as zero force members.
  • There is a suggestion that a member could be a zero force member due to the specific configuration of the structure, even if it does not fit the typical criteria.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the identification of zero force members, particularly regarding the implications of having four members at a joint. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the conditions that apply in such cases.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the identification of zero force members may depend on the specific configuration of the truss and the connections at each joint, which may not be fully addressed by the stated rules.

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Hello,

When given a truss structure, how does one tell visually just by looking at the structure which members are zero force members?
 
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From Wiki:

  • "If only two members meet in an unloaded joint, both are zero-force members.


  • If three members meet in an unloaded joint of which two are in a direct line with one another, then the third member is a zero-force member.


  • If two members meet in a loaded joint and the line of action of the load coincides with one of the members, the other member is a zero-force member."


An unloaded joint is a joint where no external forces are applied , or a joint where there is no external reaction force.

A loaded joint is a joint where external forces are applied , or a joint where there is an external reaction force.
 
So that means if you have 4 members at a joint, then none of the members can be zero force members? I am looking at a homework problem and this is the case where 4 members meet and yet one or more of the members is a zero force member. I thought it was only 3 members meeting
 
Woopydalan said:
So that means if you have 4 members at a joint, then none of the members can be zero force members?

No, it just means you can't decide if they are zero force members by looking at that joint. But the other end of each member is connected to a different joint, and that joint might tell you it is a zero force member.

Of course it is also possible for a member in a complicated structure to have zero force just by happenstance, but that's not very interesting.
 

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