Determining Christoffel Symbols: Subscripts Explained

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The discussion revolves around determining Christoffel symbols, focusing on the interpretation of subscripts in their mathematical representation. Participants are exploring the implications of these symbols within the context of differential geometry and metric tensors.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

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  • Participants are questioning the meaning of subscripts in the context of Christoffel symbols and the Einstein summation convention. There are attempts to clarify the role of indices and the coefficients associated with the metric tensor.

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The discussion is active with participants providing clarifications about the indices and their values. Some have expressed confusion regarding the notation and its implications, while others have offered insights into the technical aspects of the metric tensor.

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There is mention of the complexity involved in working with these symbols, and participants are navigating through the technical language of differential geometry. The discussion reflects a mix of foundational understanding and technical detail, with some participants acknowledging the challenges of the topic.

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My question is just,

How can I determinate the Christoffel Symbols?

I know that they're given by

http://img263.imageshack.us/i/17f2df132717bfc32dc2ce3.png/"

but, what does this mean? The subscripts I mean.

thank you very much! :)
 
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hi atomqwerty! :smile:
atomqwerty said:
what does this mean? The subscripts I mean.

each index has to take all the values 0 1 2 3 (or 1 2 3 4) :wink:

(and then sum over all repeated indices … the Einstein summation convention)

and yes, it does take a long time :rolleyes: … but it helps that most of the derivatives are zero tongue2)
 
tiny-tim said:
hi atomqwerty! :smile:


each index has to take all the values 0 1 2 3 (or 1 2 3 4) :wink:

I see, but, what is for example g12 for a given g?

thanks!
 
It is \frac{g_{mk}}{x_{l}}= \frac{\partial}{\partial x_{l}} \frac{\partial g_{m}}{\partial x_{k}}?

thanks
 
atomqwerty said:
I see, but, what is for example g12 for a given g?

thanks!


g is the metric …

g12 is the coefficient of dx1dx2 :wink:

(and g11 is the coefficient of dx12 etc)
 
tiny-tim said:
g is the metric …

g12 is the coefficient of dx1dx2 :wink:

(and g11 is the coefficient of dx12 etc)

With dx_{1}dx_{2} you mean dx_{1}\otimes dx_{2}, right?
 
The whole expression it's a sum, right? So for a metrics in R2, there will be... 24 different addends (12 for each k)?? :O

EDIT: Automessage- It's not a sum, they are Symbols! My fault :S
 
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atomqwerty said:
With dx_{1}dx_{2} you mean dx_{1}\otimes dx_{2}, right?

ooh, that's rather technical, we don't normally bother with that in physics :redface:
atomqwerty said:
The whole expression it's a sum, right? So for a metrics in R2, there will be... 24 different addends (12 for each k)?? :O

EDIT: Automessage- It's not a sum, they are Symbols! My fault :S

not following you :confused:
 
tiny-tim said:
ooh, that's rather technical, we don't normally bother with that in physics :redface:

It's for differential Geometry ;)

Thank you, it's been very helpfull! :approve:
 

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