Cosmological model, geodesics question

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The discussion revolves around a question related to geodesics in a cosmological model, specifically focusing on the geodesic equation and the implications of conserved quantities associated with metric components. Participants are exploring the relationship between the geodesic equation and the behavior of the coordinates involved.

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  • Participants discuss the implications of metric independence on conserved quantities and the geodesic equation. There is a focus on the Euler-Lagrange equations and the identification of Christoffel symbols. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of constant coordinates and the necessity of solving the temporal component of the geodesic equation.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the spatial equations and the need to address the temporal component. Some guidance has been offered regarding the definition of affine parameters and the relationship between the equations, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take.

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Participants express uncertainty about terminology, specifically regarding the term "first integral." There is also a recognition of the need to hold all coordinates constant for the geodesic analysis, indicating potential constraints in the problem setup.

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I am unsure of Q3 but have posted my solutions to other parts

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ok so it is clear that because the metric components are independent of ##x^i## each ##x^i## has an associated conserved quantity ##d/ds (\dot{x^i})=0##. (1)

The geodesic equation can be written as ##\frac{d^2x^i}{ds^2}+\Gamma^i_{ab}\dot{x}^a\dot{x}^b=0 ##

I look at the Euler-Lagrange equations and I can quickly show that all Christoffel symbols with an upper index ##^i## are zero and so the above is zero (via comparing the the form above of a geodesic equation and identifying the Christoffel symbols from the e-l equations this way). so the first term is zero i have shown by the KVF and the second term zero. so the geodesic equation is obeyed.

Now here is my probably very stupid question, how is this constant ##x^i ## geodesics that the above geodesic equation describes. . the above geodesic equation would hold for ##\dot{x^i}## constant which implies that ##x^i## is constant ofc, but here I see my thoughts are way of track and i have clearly misunderstood something as just using this line of reasoning the geodesic equation is trivially satisfied...

thanks.
 

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The spatial equations yes. You replaced them by the correspondig first integral. You still need to solve the temporal one.
 
Orodruin said:
The spatial equations yes. You replaced them by the correspondig first integral. You still need to solve the temporal one.

okay many thanks.
I am unsure what you mean by 'integral ' however.
But I see clearly I have missed out the time -component equation of ##\ddot{x^u}+\Gamma^u_{ab}\dot{x^a}\dot{x^b}=0 ##

I have found that the Christoffel Symbols ##\Gamma^x_{xt} , \Gamma^t_{xt} \neq 0 ## , and ##\Gamma^t_{tt}=0##
And so for there to be a chance of a geodesic, from my above workings, I assume the quesion means to hold all ##x^i## constant and not just one?

This leaves me to look at whether ##\ddot{t}=0##?

To this I check whether there is an affine parameter ##s## such that this is possible. The definition of affine parameter is that ##dL/ds=0##

and so if I write

##L=-\dot{t^2} + K_{x_1} + K_{x_1} + K_{x_1} ##; where ##K_{x_1}## is the KvF associated with the ##x_i## coordinate.
and then differentiate wrt s to get
##0=\ddot{t}##

is this ok?
have I took a long-winded approach?
 
binbagsss said:
I am unsure what you mean by 'integral ' however
Not ”integral”, ”first integral”.
 

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