Determining convergence/divergence?

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In summary: The only thing is that you don't have to check that the function is positive and decreasing (although it's certainly helpful to know). All you need to do is show that the function is positive for all n > some value and that it's decreasing for all n > some value (the "some value" will be the same for both).okay coolthanks heaps for your help!In summary, the conversation discusses different methods for determining the convergence of a series and provides examples using ratio test and integral test. The conversation also touches on the importance of understanding summation notation and the behavior of terms as n approaches infinity. It concludes with a discussion about a specific problem and a confirmation that the book's answer is incorrect.
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Homework Statement


For (9 + cos (n))/ n^2


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


would this be correct?
since -1 < cos x < 1
then

8/n^2 < (9 + cos (n))/ n^2 < 10/n^2?
So use p-series from there?
Therefore it converges
Am I right?
 
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What exactly are you trying to determine, whether the sequence
$$a_n = \frac{9 + \cos n}{n^2}$$ converges or whether the series
$$\sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{9 + \cos n}{n^2}$$ converges?
 
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  • #3
sorry for not clarifying
the series
where n = 1
 
  • #4
It looks like you're trying to use the squeeze theorem, but that's for showing a sequence converges. You want to use a test that shows that a series converges. You've correctly deduced that the terms of the series are less than or equal to 10/n2, which is a p-series that converges. Given this info, what test can you use to conclude that the original series converges?
 
  • #5
Would it be the comparison test?
 
  • #6
Yes, that'll work.
 
  • #7
ah thanks heaps!
just one more thing
what exactly is the meaning of the "n" value?
Would my answer be different for n =2 or n = 0?
 
  • #8
I assume you're referring to what appears below the summation sign. What's written there tells you the initial value of n. n=0 won't work because you'd be dividing by 0 in the first term of the series. (I fixed the error in my previous post.) You should read up on summation notation if you have further questions.

As far as convergence goes, where the series starts doesn't really matter. Whether a series converges or diverges depends solely on the behavior of the terms as n goes to infinity.
 
  • #9
ah i see, that clears it up
thanks again!
 
  • #10
What about this one: (5 / n)^n
Would this be a valid method of testing?
1) Ratio test to end up with
(5n^n) / (n+1)^(n+1)

2) Take out 5 / (n + 1) as a factor

3) Left with 5 / (n + 1) * 1 / (n + 1)^n

4) Since the limit of 5 / (n + 1) = 0
Using limit laws, the whole thing must therefore = 0

Since 0 < 1
It converges
 
  • #11
man0005 said:
What about this one: (5 / n)^n
Would this be a valid method of testing?
1) Ratio test to end up with
(5n^n) / (n+1)^(n+1)

2) Take out 5 / (n + 1) as a factor

3) Left with 5 / (n + 1) * 1 / (n + 1)^n
This isn't correct. You seem to have dropped the nn that was in the numerator.

4) Since the limit of 5 / (n + 1) = 0
Using limit laws, the whole thing must therefore = 0

Since 0 < 1
It converges
 
  • #12
oh yeah
but wouldn't that make it

5 / (n + 1) * n^n / (n + 1)^n

So would my step 4 still be valid?
 
  • #13
As long as you can show that ##\displaystyle\lim_{n \to \infty} \frac{n^n}{(n+1)^n}## exists.
 
  • #14
hmmm not sure how to do that :S
Any hints?
Or is there an easier test that I should be doing...

Edit: Just tried it and got 1/e
Working out =
lim (n→∞) [ n / ( n + 1 ) ]ⁿ

= lim (n→∞) { 1/ [ ( n + 1 ) / n ] }ⁿ

= lim (n→∞) { 1 / [ 1 + (1/n) ] }ⁿ

= 1 / { lim (n→∞) [ 1 + (1/n) ]ⁿ }

= 1 / e (Using known identity)

That seem okay?
 
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  • #15
Yup, perfect!
 
  • #16
hmm just tried this question from my texbook:
Series of
3 / (3n*(ln (n))^0.5)
where n = 2

Used the integral test and found that it diverges, but answer at the back of the book says it converges. Is the answer wrong? Fairly sure I haven't made any mistakes...but I can post up my working if it's meant to converge
 
  • #17
The book's wrong.
 
  • #18
Ah cool
Just to confirm the method:
1) Show that related function is positive
2) Show that it is also decreasing via negative gradient
3) Get a definite integral from 2 to infinity or 2 to N

Should end up with limit of 2(ln(N))^0.5 - 2(ln(2))^0.5 with N ---> Infinity

Second is a constant, so can remove it
Now we have lim (n→∞) { 2(ln(N))^0.5}
Which is infinity, hence it diverges

Therefore original series will diverge as well by integral test
 
  • #19
Yes, that's fine.
 

1. What is the definition of convergence/divergence?

Convergence and divergence are mathematical concepts used to describe the behavior of a sequence or series. A sequence is said to converge if its terms approach a specific value as the number of terms increases. On the other hand, a sequence is said to diverge if its terms do not approach a specific value as the number of terms increases.

2. How can we determine the convergence/divergence of a sequence?

To determine the convergence or divergence of a sequence, we can use various tests such as the limit test, ratio test, root test, or comparison test. These tests involve evaluating the behavior of the sequence's terms as the number of terms increases. If the terms approach a specific value, the sequence is convergent. If the terms do not approach a specific value, the sequence is divergent.

3. What is the importance of determining convergence/divergence?

Determining the convergence or divergence of a sequence is crucial in understanding the behavior and properties of mathematical expressions, such as series and integrals. It also helps in making predictions and approximations in various fields, including physics, engineering, and economics.

4. Are there any real-world applications of convergence/divergence?

Yes, there are many real-world applications of convergence and divergence, such as predicting stock market trends, analyzing population growth, and modeling physical processes. In physics, the convergence or divergence of a series can determine the stability or instability of a system.

5. Can a sequence be both convergent and divergent?

No, a sequence cannot be both convergent and divergent. A sequence can only have one of these two behaviors. However, a sequence can be conditionally convergent, which means it is convergent but can be rearranged to become divergent.

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