Determining directional Field for say ##\dfrac{dy}{dx}=y-x##

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The discussion revolves around determining directional fields for the differential equation ##\dfrac{dy}{dx}=y-x##. Participants explore concepts related to turning points, inflection points, and the behavior of functions in the context of isoclines and stability of solutions.

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  • One participant suggests that establishing turning and inflection points is key to determining directional fields and proposes using limits to check the behavior of functions around these points.
  • Another participant provides links to various numerical methods for solving differential equations but does not directly address the main question.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about their reasoning regarding stability and asymptotic stability of solutions and seeks confirmation of their approach.
  • There is a mention of "curve discussion" and "curve sketching," emphasizing the importance of analyzing derivatives to gather information about local minima, maxima, and other characteristics of the function.
  • Several participants inquire about plotting a vector field or characteristic curves related to the function, indicating a focus on visual representation of the directional fields.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and approaches to the topic, with no clear consensus on the best method for determining directional fields or stability. Multiple competing views and methods are presented without resolution.

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Some participants reference specific mathematical techniques and methods, but there are unresolved aspects regarding the integration steps and the implications of the results on stability. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions and interpretations of the problem.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in differential equations, vector fields, and stability analysis, particularly in the context of mathematical modeling and analysis of curves.

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What are the key factors to consider when determining the directional fields for curves/straight lines?
I am looking at this now : My understanding is that in determining the directional fields for curves; establishing the turning points and/or inflection points if any is key...then one has to make use of limits and check behaviour of function as it approaches or moves away from these points thus giving us a family of curves. For the question posted here , ...we set ##\dfrac{dy}{dx}=0, c=y-x## and then proceed to get a family of curves (isoclines) then proceed to check the behaviour of other values in the neighbourhood of the parallel lines.

Pretty clear but i may have missed on something hence my post.
 

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fresh_42 said:
Appreciated...i just wanted to check that my reasoning is correct; then i should be able to determine stability/asymptotic stability or unstability of solutions related to these fields...refreshing on this. cheers man.

and i just clicked the linear differential equation on wolfram. How did they end up with the constant ##1## on ##y=c_1e^x+x+1## in my working i have

##\dfrac{dy}{dx}-y=-x##

using integration factor,

##e^{\int({-1})dx}= \dfrac{1}{e^x}##

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I end up with,

##ye^{-x} = \int (-xe^{-x} )dx##

...and on integration by parts on rhs... i get,

##ye^{-x}=xe^{-x}+e^{-x} +c##

##y = x+1+ce^x## ahhhh ok boss i can see :cool: .

nice day.
 
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chwala said:
Appreciated...i just wanted to check that my reasoning is correct; then i should be able to determine stability/asymptotic stability or unstability of solutions related to these fields...refreshing on this. cheers man.
It is similar to what we call "curve discussion" here, and Wiki "curve sketching": differentiate the function three times, determine the zeros, plug in the zeros from one derivative into the other ones, and draw the curve with the information about zeros, local minima, local maxima, asymptotes, inflection points, convex, and concave areas, etc.

It is only a bit more complicated with differential equation systems, but yes, determine as much data as possible: repellers, attractors, possible flows, and so on.
 
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Are you trying to plot a Vector Field; specifically here, f(x,y)=y-x, and/or its Characteristic curves?
 
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WWGD said:
Are you trying to plot a Vector Field; specifically here, f(x,y)=y-x, and/or its Characteristic curves?
Not really,... Just looking at how to plot directional fields...
 
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